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Old 07-07-2008, 06:31 AM     Post subject: preflop issues with big hands #1 (permalink)  
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1. villain is jmart, seems to be a reg with head on shoulders

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, MP raises to $36, Hero folds??

2. villain is 15/12

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 1 fold, BB raises to $18, Hero raises to $104.15,

3. villain is 24/18 over very small sample of hands

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
UTG raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 3 folds, UTG raises to $106.55, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $29.50

4. villain is 27/15 or some ish

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Preflop: Hero is MP with J, J.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, Button raises to $16, 2 folds, Hero ?,
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Old 07-07-2008, 06:42 AM #2 (permalink)  
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This is all more read dependant than just stats... But that shove on hand2 is definitely questionable. Hand 3 I'd actually probably call

Hand 1 and 4 are very much read and table flow dependent
 
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% 3-bet helps me a lot in these spots, %steal might be relevent as well.
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Usually jam hand 1.
hand 2: I always make smaller 4bets and never shove (when it's an overbet). It's a choice, it seems to balance well with smaller 4bets as bluffs. But as played it's ok.
hand 3: Yes fold.
hand 4: I don't know, would like to hear others.
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 Hand 1 - Jammm

Hand 2 - umm.. he's mega tight. I don't know, reads would help here. Is he capable of squeezing light?

Hand 3 - I really don't like 3-betting the UTG raiser if you plan on folding once he 4-bets. There's a good chance you get 4-bet once you 3-bet an UTG raiser, and folding is like you were turning your hand into a bluff. either 3-bet/call shove or flat the UTG raiser IMO.

Hand 4 - Again you probably need reads on his squeezing frequency etc. I mix it up between calling and 4-betting here.
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Hand 3 - I really don't like 3-betting the UTG raiser if you plan on folding once he 4-bets. There's a good chance you get 4-bet once you 3-bet an UTG raiser, and folding is like you were turning your hand into a bluff. either 3-bet/call shove or flat the UTG raiser IMO.
Not really agreeing or disagreeing with you, but assuming villain has a 3bet calling range OOP, that should play a part in our decision imo, I'm just not sure how much it affects it.

Also if we call, in general, are we easily giving up on non A/K flops? If so, it seems like we're loosing the 'missed flops'-battle.

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Hand 4 - Again you probably need reads on his squeezing frequency etc. I mix it up between calling and 4-betting here.
When you call the sqeeuze, could you explain your flop plan on A/K flop? Q flop? other flops?
I struggle with this situation as well, because 4betting for a large part seems to turn our hand into a bluff, but calling leaves us in a very tough spot OOP as well.
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I really don't like 3-betting the UTG raiser if you plan on folding once he 4-bets. There's a good chance you get 4-bet once you 3-bet an UTG raiser, and folding is like you were turning your hand into a bluff. either 3-bet/call shove or flat the UTG raiser IMO.
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 1) Jmart iirc is pretty nitty, and this may be a fold, but its soooted so i guess just jam. unless you had been abusing him his 4 bet range is probably QQ+/AK.

2) i play the same, unless he is literally 3 betting JJ+/AK and folding every thing but KK+/AK, which this player may be doing judging from his pf stats.

3) i agree with other ppl about 3 betting here.

4) i prefer 4betting.
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