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Old 02-02-2004, 11:30 AM     Post subject: Pre-flop play for groups other than 0-4 ? #1 (permalink)  
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Hello Tyson!

You describe your pre-flop play with the 0-4 groups, but how about the rest of them? How do you play them? It would be very interesting to read an article of how you play for example groups 5-6 pre-flop. Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-02-2004, 11:30 AM     Post subject: Pre-flop play for groups other than 0-4 ? #2 (permalink)  
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Hello Tyson!

You describe your pre-flop play with the 0-4 groups, but how about the rest of them? How do you play them? It would be very interesting to read an article of how you play for example groups 5-6 pre-flop. Thanks in advance.
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Hello Tyson!

You describe your pre-flop play with the 0-4 groups, but how about the rest of them? How do you play them? It would be very interesting to read an article of how you play for example groups 5-6 pre-flop. Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-02-2004, 11:30 AM     Post subject: Pre-flop play for groups other than 0-4 ? #4 (permalink)  
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You describe your pre-flop play with the 0-4 groups, but how about the rest of them? How do you play them? It would be very interesting to read an article of how you play for example groups 5-6 pre-flop. Thanks in advance.
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You describe your pre-flop play with the 0-4 groups, but how about the rest of them? How do you play them? It would be very interesting to read an article of how you play for example groups 5-6 pre-flop. Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-02-2004, 11:30 AM     Post subject: Pre-flop play for groups other than 0-4 ? #6 (permalink)  
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You describe your pre-flop play with the 0-4 groups, but how about the rest of them? How do you play them? It would be very interesting to read an article of how you play for example groups 5-6 pre-flop. Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-02-2004, 04:07 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Personally, I tend to look at hands as families and study when and how to play each family.

Monster Pocket Pairs:
AA KK

Strong Pocket Pairs:
QQ JJ

Marginal Pocket Pairs:
TT 99 88

Weak Pocket Pairs
77 66 55

Baby Pocket Pairs
44 33 22

2 Big suited:
AKs AQs (AJs KQs)

2 Big Unsuited:
AKo AQo (AJo KQo)

Tens or Better Suited:
ATs KJs KTs QJs QTs JTs

Tens or Better Unsuited:
ATo KJo KTo QJo QTo JTo

Marginal Suited Hands:
K9s Q9s Q8s J9s (J8s)

Tight Suited Connectors:
T9s 98s 87s 76s 65s 54s

Ax suited:
A9s A8s A7s A6s A5s A4s A3s A2s

Kx suited:
K8s K7s K6s K5s K4s K3s K2s

Qx suited:
Q7s Q6s Q5s Q4s Q3s Q2s

Ax unsuited:
A9o A8o A7o A6o A5o A4o A3o A2o

Kx unsuited:
K9o K8o K7o K6o K5o K4o K3o K2o

(Suited/Unsuited) (tight/semi/loose/weak/non connected) Rags:
Just about everything else
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Personally, I tend to look at hands as families and study when and how to play each family.

Monster Pocket Pairs:
AA KK

Strong Pocket Pairs:
QQ JJ

Marginal Pocket Pairs:
TT 99 88

Weak Pocket Pairs
77 66 55

Baby Pocket Pairs
44 33 22

2 Big suited:
AKs AQs (AJs KQs)

2 Big Unsuited:
AKo AQo (AJo KQo)

Tens or Better Suited:
ATs KJs KTs QJs QTs JTs

Tens or Better Unsuited:
ATo KJo KTo QJo QTo JTo

Marginal Suited Hands:
K9s Q9s Q8s J9s (J8s)

Tight Suited Connectors:
T9s 98s 87s 76s 65s 54s

Ax suited:
A9s A8s A7s A6s A5s A4s A3s A2s

Kx suited:
K8s K7s K6s K5s K4s K3s K2s

Qx suited:
Q7s Q6s Q5s Q4s Q3s Q2s

Ax unsuited:
A9o A8o A7o A6o A5o A4o A3o A2o

Kx unsuited:
K9o K8o K7o K6o K5o K4o K3o K2o

(Suited/Unsuited) (tight/semi/loose/weak/non connected) Rags:
Just about everything else
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Personally, I tend to look at hands as families and study when and how to play each family.

Monster Pocket Pairs:
AA KK

Strong Pocket Pairs:
QQ JJ

Marginal Pocket Pairs:
TT 99 88

Weak Pocket Pairs
77 66 55

Baby Pocket Pairs
44 33 22

2 Big suited:
AKs AQs (AJs KQs)

2 Big Unsuited:
AKo AQo (AJo KQo)

Tens or Better Suited:
ATs KJs KTs QJs QTs JTs

Tens or Better Unsuited:
ATo KJo KTo QJo QTo JTo

Marginal Suited Hands:
K9s Q9s Q8s J9s (J8s)

Tight Suited Connectors:
T9s 98s 87s 76s 65s 54s

Ax suited:
A9s A8s A7s A6s A5s A4s A3s A2s

Kx suited:
K8s K7s K6s K5s K4s K3s K2s

Qx suited:
Q7s Q6s Q5s Q4s Q3s Q2s

Ax unsuited:
A9o A8o A7o A6o A5o A4o A3o A2o

Kx unsuited:
K9o K8o K7o K6o K5o K4o K3o K2o

(Suited/Unsuited) (tight/semi/loose/weak/non connected) Rags:
Just about everything else
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Personally, I tend to look at hands as families and study when and how to play each family.

Monster Pocket Pairs:
AA KK

Strong Pocket Pairs:
QQ JJ

Marginal Pocket Pairs:
TT 99 88

Weak Pocket Pairs
77 66 55

Baby Pocket Pairs
44 33 22

2 Big suited:
AKs AQs (AJs KQs)

2 Big Unsuited:
AKo AQo (AJo KQo)

Tens or Better Suited:
ATs KJs KTs QJs QTs JTs

Tens or Better Unsuited:
ATo KJo KTo QJo QTo JTo

Marginal Suited Hands:
K9s Q9s Q8s J9s (J8s)

Tight Suited Connectors:
T9s 98s 87s 76s 65s 54s

Ax suited:
A9s A8s A7s A6s A5s A4s A3s A2s

Kx suited:
K8s K7s K6s K5s K4s K3s K2s

Qx suited:
Q7s Q6s Q5s Q4s Q3s Q2s

Ax unsuited:
A9o A8o A7o A6o A5o A4o A3o A2o

Kx unsuited:
K9o K8o K7o K6o K5o K4o K3o K2o

(Suited/Unsuited) (tight/semi/loose/weak/non connected) Rags:
Just about everything else
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Personally, I tend to look at hands as families and study when and how to play each family.

Monster Pocket Pairs:
AA KK

Strong Pocket Pairs:
QQ JJ

Marginal Pocket Pairs:
TT 99 88

Weak Pocket Pairs
77 66 55

Baby Pocket Pairs
44 33 22

2 Big suited:
AKs AQs (AJs KQs)

2 Big Unsuited:
AKo AQo (AJo KQo)

Tens or Better Suited:
ATs KJs KTs QJs QTs JTs

Tens or Better Unsuited:
ATo KJo KTo QJo QTo JTo

Marginal Suited Hands:
K9s Q9s Q8s J9s (J8s)

Tight Suited Connectors:
T9s 98s 87s 76s 65s 54s

Ax suited:
A9s A8s A7s A6s A5s A4s A3s A2s

Kx suited:
K8s K7s K6s K5s K4s K3s K2s

Qx suited:
Q7s Q6s Q5s Q4s Q3s Q2s

Ax unsuited:
A9o A8o A7o A6o A5o A4o A3o A2o

Kx unsuited:
K9o K8o K7o K6o K5o K4o K3o K2o

(Suited/Unsuited) (tight/semi/loose/weak/non connected) Rags:
Just about everything else
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Personally, I tend to look at hands as families and study when and how to play each family.

Monster Pocket Pairs:
AA KK

Strong Pocket Pairs:
QQ JJ

Marginal Pocket Pairs:
TT 99 88

Weak Pocket Pairs
77 66 55

Baby Pocket Pairs
44 33 22

2 Big suited:
AKs AQs (AJs KQs)

2 Big Unsuited:
AKo AQo (AJo KQo)

Tens or Better Suited:
ATs KJs KTs QJs QTs JTs

Tens or Better Unsuited:
ATo KJo KTo QJo QTo JTo

Marginal Suited Hands:
K9s Q9s Q8s J9s (J8s)

Tight Suited Connectors:
T9s 98s 87s 76s 65s 54s

Ax suited:
A9s A8s A7s A6s A5s A4s A3s A2s

Kx suited:
K8s K7s K6s K5s K4s K3s K2s

Qx suited:
Q7s Q6s Q5s Q4s Q3s Q2s

Ax unsuited:
A9o A8o A7o A6o A5o A4o A3o A2o

Kx unsuited:
K9o K8o K7o K6o K5o K4o K3o K2o

(Suited/Unsuited) (tight/semi/loose/weak/non connected) Rags:
Just about everything else
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Hey, man, I'm sorry, I've been lagging hard on writing up the content. I have several people waiting on the rest of the hands that I play and how I play them. I'll make it a point to at least get the next essay done by the end of this week, which will be the next 1 or 2 groupings.
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Hey, man, I'm sorry, I've been lagging hard on writing up the content. I have several people waiting on the rest of the hands that I play and how I play them. I'll make it a point to at least get the next essay done by the end of this week, which will be the next 1 or 2 groupings.
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Hey, man, I'm sorry, I've been lagging hard on writing up the content. I have several people waiting on the rest of the hands that I play and how I play them. I'll make it a point to at least get the next essay done by the end of this week, which will be the next 1 or 2 groupings.
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Hey, man, I'm sorry, I've been lagging hard on writing up the content. I have several people waiting on the rest of the hands that I play and how I play them. I'll make it a point to at least get the next essay done by the end of this week, which will be the next 1 or 2 groupings.
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Hey, man, I'm sorry, I've been lagging hard on writing up the content. I have several people waiting on the rest of the hands that I play and how I play them. I'll make it a point to at least get the next essay done by the end of this week, which will be the next 1 or 2 groupings.
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Hey, man, I'm sorry, I've been lagging hard on writing up the content. I have several people waiting on the rest of the hands that I play and how I play them. I'll make it a point to at least get the next essay done by the end of this week, which will be the next 1 or 2 groupings.
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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!

I am reading it now, and though I know it is primarily for limit-games, I still believe there are a great deal of important info that can be used in nl-games as well.

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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!

I am reading it now, and though I know it is primarily for limit-games, I still believe there are a great deal of important info that can be used in nl-games as well.

Best regards,
Andreas from Sweden.
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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!

I am reading it now, and though I know it is primarily for limit-games, I still believe there are a great deal of important info that can be used in nl-games as well.

Best regards,
Andreas from Sweden.
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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!

I am reading it now, and though I know it is primarily for limit-games, I still believe there are a great deal of important info that can be used in nl-games as well.

Best regards,
Andreas from Sweden.
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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!

I am reading it now, and though I know it is primarily for limit-games, I still believe there are a great deal of important info that can be used in nl-games as well.

Best regards,
Andreas from Sweden.
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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!

I am reading it now, and though I know it is primarily for limit-games, I still believe there are a great deal of important info that can be used in nl-games as well.

Best regards,
Andreas from Sweden.
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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!
Read the book. It's very limit centric. Consider picking up a book explictly about No Limit or Pot Limit.
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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!
Read the book. It's very limit centric. Consider picking up a book explictly about No Limit or Pot Limit.
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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!
Read the book. It's very limit centric. Consider picking up a book explictly about No Limit or Pot Limit.
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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!
Read the book. It's very limit centric. Consider picking up a book explictly about No Limit or Pot Limit.
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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!
Read the book. It's very limit centric. Consider picking up a book explictly about No Limit or Pot Limit.
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Great! Looking forward to it. Wonder also if you have read "Hold 'Em for Advanced Players" by Sklansky and have any opinion on how to modify the play for nl-games. If you could add some comments throughout the article on modifications of sklansky's recommendations, it would be super!
Read the book. It's very limit centric. Consider picking up a book explictly about No Limit or Pot Limit.
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 Yes, I have read that book several times, I think it is a great book, but as Fnord mentions, that book is definitely focused on the game of limit holdem.

If you are somewhat new to the game of holdem (limit or no limit), this book will help establish a strong foundation and teach good principles. Most no limit players started with the limit game, including myself, and that has been helpful.

I'm still looking for the equivalent of Sklansky's book to the no limit game, a "bible" of sorts. I'm less interested in no limit tournaments, more on just the no limit cash game. If any of you have strong recommendations, please post them here, I'll pick up the book and post a review. Thanks!
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 Yes, I have read that book several times, I think it is a great book, but as Fnord mentions, that book is definitely focused on the game of limit holdem.

If you are somewhat new to the game of holdem (limit or no limit), this book will help establish a strong foundation and teach good principles. Most no limit players started with the limit game, including myself, and that has been helpful.

I'm still looking for the equivalent of Sklansky's book to the no limit game, a "bible" of sorts. I'm less interested in no limit tournaments, more on just the no limit cash game. If any of you have strong recommendations, please post them here, I'll pick up the book and post a review. Thanks!
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 Yes, I have read that book several times, I think it is a great book, but as Fnord mentions, that book is definitely focused on the game of limit holdem.

If you are somewhat new to the game of holdem (limit or no limit), this book will help establish a strong foundation and teach good principles. Most no limit players started with the limit game, including myself, and that has been helpful.

I'm still looking for the equivalent of Sklansky's book to the no limit game, a "bible" of sorts. I'm less interested in no limit tournaments, more on just the no limit cash game. If any of you have strong recommendations, please post them here, I'll pick up the book and post a review. Thanks!
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 Yes, I have read that book several times, I think it is a great book, but as Fnord mentions, that book is definitely focused on the game of limit holdem.

If you are somewhat new to the game of holdem (limit or no limit), this book will help establish a strong foundation and teach good principles. Most no limit players started with the limit game, including myself, and that has been helpful.

I'm still looking for the equivalent of Sklansky's book to the no limit game, a "bible" of sorts. I'm less interested in no limit tournaments, more on just the no limit cash game. If any of you have strong recommendations, please post them here, I'll pick up the book and post a review. Thanks!
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 Yes, I have read that book several times, I think it is a great book, but as Fnord mentions, that book is definitely focused on the game of limit holdem.

If you are somewhat new to the game of holdem (limit or no limit), this book will help establish a strong foundation and teach good principles. Most no limit players started with the limit game, including myself, and that has been helpful.

I'm still looking for the equivalent of Sklansky's book to the no limit game, a "bible" of sorts. I'm less interested in no limit tournaments, more on just the no limit cash game. If any of you have strong recommendations, please post them here, I'll pick up the book and post a review. Thanks!
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 Yes, I have read that book several times, I think it is a great book, but as Fnord mentions, that book is definitely focused on the game of limit holdem.

If you are somewhat new to the game of holdem (limit or no limit), this book will help establish a strong foundation and teach good principles. Most no limit players started with the limit game, including myself, and that has been helpful.

I'm still looking for the equivalent of Sklansky's book to the no limit game, a "bible" of sorts. I'm less interested in no limit tournaments, more on just the no limit cash game. If any of you have strong recommendations, please post them here, I'll pick up the book and post a review. Thanks!
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I am very new to the game. I read in the swedish newspaper about the 20 year-old 'Erik123' (yes the legend) who has earned 100.000 of dollars by playing holdem online. I read this in december and ordered 5 poker books from amazon. The books came a few weeks ago, and since then I have studied and played at the nl play money tables at partypoker. A few days ago I started playing with money, won $25 dollars the first day, lost $25 in 5 minutes the next day, but worked my way up again to about $20 profit. I lost it again and now I am at break even. I figured I am not that average player I thought I was after doing some totally fucked up mistakes. So I went back to the books and now I'm learning the important topic of position. I have printed out the group recommendations from your site and reading that together with Sklansky.

I have never cared of learning strategies of limit games, since I think nl-games are more profitable if appropriate strategies are learned. But maybe that is a big drawback for me. What do you think? Since I don't care about learning limit strategies I might have a big disadvantage in some fields. But I'm not really interested in limit games.. as you say on your site, the nl-games are more profitable and much more fun to play.

There is currently no 'bible' on nl-games. The only good books I know of that deals with this topic is "Pot-Limit & No-Limit Poker" by Reuben/Ciaffone and "Championship no-limit and pot-limit hold'em" by T.J. Cloutier. I haven't read them, but I certainly will since everything there is to read about nl is worth reading.
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I am very new to the game. I read in the swedish newspaper about the 20 year-old 'Erik123' (yes the legend) who has earned 100.000 of dollars by playing holdem online. I read this in december and ordered 5 poker books from amazon. The books came a few weeks ago, and since then I have studied and played at the nl play money tables at partypoker. A few days ago I started playing with money, won $25 dollars the first day, lost $25 in 5 minutes the next day, but worked my way up again to about $20 profit. I lost it again and now I am at break even. I figured I am not that average player I thought I was after doing some totally fucked up mistakes. So I went back to the books and now I'm learning the important topic of position. I have printed out the group recommendations from your site and reading that together with Sklansky.

I have never cared of learning strategies of limit games, since I think nl-games are more profitable if appropriate strategies are learned. But maybe that is a big drawback for me. What do you think? Since I don't care about learning limit strategies I might have a big disadvantage in some fields. But I'm not really interested in limit games.. as you say on your site, the nl-games are more profitable and much more fun to play.

There is currently no 'bible' on nl-games. The only good books I know of that deals with this topic is "Pot-Limit & No-Limit Poker" by Reuben/Ciaffone and "Championship no-limit and pot-limit hold'em" by T.J. Cloutier. I haven't read them, but I certainly will since everything there is to read about nl is worth reading.
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I am very new to the game. I read in the swedish newspaper about the 20 year-old 'Erik123' (yes the legend) who has earned 100.000 of dollars by playing holdem online. I read this in december and ordered 5 poker books from amazon. The books came a few weeks ago, and since then I have studied and played at the nl play money tables at partypoker. A few days ago I started playing with money, won $25 dollars the first day, lost $25 in 5 minutes the next day, but worked my way up again to about $20 profit. I lost it again and now I am at break even. I figured I am not that average player I thought I was after doing some totally fucked up mistakes. So I went back to the books and now I'm learning the important topic of position. I have printed out the group recommendations from your site and reading that together with Sklansky.

I have never cared of learning strategies of limit games, since I think nl-games are more profitable if appropriate strategies are learned. But maybe that is a big drawback for me. What do you think? Since I don't care about learning limit strategies I might have a big disadvantage in some fields. But I'm not really interested in limit games.. as you say on your site, the nl-games are more profitable and much more fun to play.

There is currently no 'bible' on nl-games. The only good books I know of that deals with this topic is "Pot-Limit & No-Limit Poker" by Reuben/Ciaffone and "Championship no-limit and pot-limit hold'em" by T.J. Cloutier. I haven't read them, but I certainly will since everything there is to read about nl is worth reading.
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I am very new to the game. I read in the swedish newspaper about the 20 year-old 'Erik123' (yes the legend) who has earned 100.000 of dollars by playing holdem online. I read this in december and ordered 5 poker books from amazon. The books came a few weeks ago, and since then I have studied and played at the nl play money tables at partypoker. A few days ago I started playing with money, won $25 dollars the first day, lost $25 in 5 minutes the next day, but worked my way up again to about $20 profit. I lost it again and now I am at break even. I figured I am not that average player I thought I was after doing some totally fucked up mistakes. So I went back to the books and now I'm learning the important topic of position. I have printed out the group recommendations from your site and reading that together with Sklansky.

I have never cared of learning strategies of limit games, since I think nl-games are more profitable if appropriate strategies are learned. But maybe that is a big drawback for me. What do you think? Since I don't care about learning limit strategies I might have a big disadvantage in some fields. But I'm not really interested in limit games.. as you say on your site, the nl-games are more profitable and much more fun to play.

There is currently no 'bible' on nl-games. The only good books I know of that deals with this topic is "Pot-Limit & No-Limit Poker" by Reuben/Ciaffone and "Championship no-limit and pot-limit hold'em" by T.J. Cloutier. I haven't read them, but I certainly will since everything there is to read about nl is worth reading.
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I am very new to the game. I read in the swedish newspaper about the 20 year-old 'Erik123' (yes the legend) who has earned 100.000 of dollars by playing holdem online. I read this in december and ordered 5 poker books from amazon. The books came a few weeks ago, and since then I have studied and played at the nl play money tables at partypoker. A few days ago I started playing with money, won $25 dollars the first day, lost $25 in 5 minutes the next day, but worked my way up again to about $20 profit. I lost it again and now I am at break even. I figured I am not that average player I thought I was after doing some totally fucked up mistakes. So I went back to the books and now I'm learning the important topic of position. I have printed out the group recommendations from your site and reading that together with Sklansky.

I have never cared of learning strategies of limit games, since I think nl-games are more profitable if appropriate strategies are learned. But maybe that is a big drawback for me. What do you think? Since I don't care about learning limit strategies I might have a big disadvantage in some fields. But I'm not really interested in limit games.. as you say on your site, the nl-games are more profitable and much more fun to play.

There is currently no 'bible' on nl-games. The only good books I know of that deals with this topic is "Pot-Limit & No-Limit Poker" by Reuben/Ciaffone and "Championship no-limit and pot-limit hold'em" by T.J. Cloutier. I haven't read them, but I certainly will since everything there is to read about nl is worth reading.
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I am very new to the game. I read in the swedish newspaper about the 20 year-old 'Erik123' (yes the legend) who has earned 100.000 of dollars by playing holdem online. I read this in december and ordered 5 poker books from amazon. The books came a few weeks ago, and since then I have studied and played at the nl play money tables at partypoker. A few days ago I started playing with money, won $25 dollars the first day, lost $25 in 5 minutes the next day, but worked my way up again to about $20 profit. I lost it again and now I am at break even. I figured I am not that average player I thought I was after doing some totally fucked up mistakes. So I went back to the books and now I'm learning the important topic of position. I have printed out the group recommendations from your site and reading that together with Sklansky.

I have never cared of learning strategies of limit games, since I think nl-games are more profitable if appropriate strategies are learned. But maybe that is a big drawback for me. What do you think? Since I don't care about learning limit strategies I might have a big disadvantage in some fields. But I'm not really interested in limit games.. as you say on your site, the nl-games are more profitable and much more fun to play.

There is currently no 'bible' on nl-games. The only good books I know of that deals with this topic is "Pot-Limit & No-Limit Poker" by Reuben/Ciaffone and "Championship no-limit and pot-limit hold'em" by T.J. Cloutier. I haven't read them, but I certainly will since everything there is to read about nl is worth reading.
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 It's hard to say the importance of knowing the limit game before entering the no limit arena. For me, I realized the shortcomings in the limit game, and how those hurt my profits. Because of the relatively small betting amounts, it's difficult to buy your hand when you're winning. Draw hands become more playable. If I flopped top pair, top kicker, I couldn't get my opponents out of the hand, and they would chase their hand and beat me. I think the limit game relies more on luck and less on skill.

I think you can move straight into no limit, but it just may take a little longer to become proficient.

Maybe I'll order those two books you mention, let me know what you think of those after you've gone through them.

I definitely believe that no limit is where it's at and it sounds like you agree. You are not doing that bad for being new to the game, if you are even, then you are actually winning more than losing (beating the rake). As I mention on the site, I dropped $700 before I started figuring things out (one of those things was to move to no limit). Undoubtedly, experience will be the most important factor.

If you played a hand and would like some commentary, you can post the hand history and we'll give you our 2 cents.

I think when I post the rest of the hands I play, and how I play them, that will help you out also.

There are many other topics I'd like to write - picking the table and the seat to play at, taking notes on players, position, etc. All these items are important factors, keep studying, keep practicing.
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 It's hard to say the importance of knowing the limit game before entering the no limit arena. For me, I realized the shortcomings in the limit game, and how those hurt my profits. Because of the relatively small betting amounts, it's difficult to buy your hand when you're winning. Draw hands become more playable. If I flopped top pair, top kicker, I couldn't get my opponents out of the hand, and they would chase their hand and beat me. I think the limit game relies more on luck and less on skill.

I think you can move straight into no limit, but it just may take a little longer to become proficient.

Maybe I'll order those two books you mention, let me know what you think of those after you've gone through them.

I definitely believe that no limit is where it's at and it sounds like you agree. You are not doing that bad for being new to the game, if you are even, then you are actually winning more than losing (beating the rake). As I mention on the site, I dropped $700 before I started figuring things out (one of those things was to move to no limit). Undoubtedly, experience will be the most important factor.

If you played a hand and would like some commentary, you can post the hand history and we'll give you our 2 cents.

I think when I post the rest of the hands I play, and how I play them, that will help you out also.

There are many other topics I'd like to write - picking the table and the seat to play at, taking notes on players, position, etc. All these items are important factors, keep studying, keep practicing.
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 It's hard to say the importance of knowing the limit game before entering the no limit arena. For me, I realized the shortcomings in the limit game, and how those hurt my profits. Because of the relatively small betting amounts, it's difficult to buy your hand when you're winning. Draw hands become more playable. If I flopped top pair, top kicker, I couldn't get my opponents out of the hand, and they would chase their hand and beat me. I think the limit game relies more on luck and less on skill.

I think you can move straight into no limit, but it just may take a little longer to become proficient.

Maybe I'll order those two books you mention, let me know what you think of those after you've gone through them.

I definitely believe that no limit is where it's at and it sounds like you agree. You are not doing that bad for being new to the game, if you are even, then you are actually winning more than losing (beating the rake). As I mention on the site, I dropped $700 before I started figuring things out (one of those things was to move to no limit). Undoubtedly, experience will be the most important factor.

If you played a hand and would like some commentary, you can post the hand history and we'll give you our 2 cents.

I think when I post the rest of the hands I play, and how I play them, that will help you out also.

There are many other topics I'd like to write - picking the table and the seat to play at, taking notes on players, position, etc. All these items are important factors, keep studying, keep practicing.
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 It's hard to say the importance of knowing the limit game before entering the no limit arena. For me, I realized the shortcomings in the limit game, and how those hurt my profits. Because of the relatively small betting amounts, it's difficult to buy your hand when you're winning. Draw hands become more playable. If I flopped top pair, top kicker, I couldn't get my opponents out of the hand, and they would chase their hand and beat me. I think the limit game relies more on luck and less on skill.

I think you can move straight into no limit, but it just may take a little longer to become proficient.

Maybe I'll order those two books you mention, let me know what you think of those after you've gone through them.

I definitely believe that no limit is where it's at and it sounds like you agree. You are not doing that bad for being new to the game, if you are even, then you are actually winning more than losing (beating the rake). As I mention on the site, I dropped $700 before I started figuring things out (one of those things was to move to no limit). Undoubtedly, experience will be the most important factor.

If you played a hand and would like some commentary, you can post the hand history and we'll give you our 2 cents.

I think when I post the rest of the hands I play, and how I play them, that will help you out also.

There are many other topics I'd like to write - picking the table and the seat to play at, taking notes on players, position, etc. All these items are important factors, keep studying, keep practicing.
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 It's hard to say the importance of knowing the limit game before entering the no limit arena. For me, I realized the shortcomings in the limit game, and how those hurt my profits. Because of the relatively small betting amounts, it's difficult to buy your hand when you're winning. Draw hands become more playable. If I flopped top pair, top kicker, I couldn't get my opponents out of the hand, and they would chase their hand and beat me. I think the limit game relies more on luck and less on skill.

I think you can move straight into no limit, but it just may take a little longer to become proficient.

Maybe I'll order those two books you mention, let me know what you think of those after you've gone through them.

I definitely believe that no limit is where it's at and it sounds like you agree. You are not doing that bad for being new to the game, if you are even, then you are actually winning more than losing (beating the rake). As I mention on the site, I dropped $700 before I started figuring things out (one of those things was to move to no limit). Undoubtedly, experience will be the most important factor.

If you played a hand and would like some commentary, you can post the hand history and we'll give you our 2 cents.

I think when I post the rest of the hands I play, and how I play them, that will help you out also.

There are many other topics I'd like to write - picking the table and the seat to play at, taking notes on players, position, etc. All these items are important factors, keep studying, keep practicing.
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 It's hard to say the importance of knowing the limit game before entering the no limit arena. For me, I realized the shortcomings in the limit game, and how those hurt my profits. Because of the relatively small betting amounts, it's difficult to buy your hand when you're winning. Draw hands become more playable. If I flopped top pair, top kicker, I couldn't get my opponents out of the hand, and they would chase their hand and beat me. I think the limit game relies more on luck and less on skill.

I think you can move straight into no limit, but it just may take a little longer to become proficient.

Maybe I'll order those two books you mention, let me know what you think of those after you've gone through them.

I definitely believe that no limit is where it's at and it sounds like you agree. You are not doing that bad for being new to the game, if you are even, then you are actually winning more than losing (beating the rake). As I mention on the site, I dropped $700 before I started figuring things out (one of those things was to move to no limit). Undoubtedly, experience will be the most important factor.

If you played a hand and would like some commentary, you can post the hand history and we'll give you our 2 cents.

I think when I post the rest of the hands I play, and how I play them, that will help you out also.

There are many other topics I'd like to write - picking the table and the seat to play at, taking notes on players, position, etc. All these items are important factors, keep studying, keep practicing.
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Maybe I'll order those two books you mention, let me know what you think of those after you've gone through them.
I've heard there are newer/thicker edditions of one or both books comming soon via the UnitedPokerForum.
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