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meeloche

04-11-2008, 07:40 PM Post subject: possible spew alert

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1) Villain is 27/14 seems like he likes to call most 3 bets. He has a 28%
attempt to steal. This is not the first time he's being 3 bet however the first time time I have 3 bet him.

Good bad?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($197.45)
Hero ($198)
BB ($28.50)
UTG ($247)
MP ($197)

Preflop: Hero is SB with

.
2 folds, Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $26, 1 fold, Button calls $18.

Flop: ($54)

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $36, Hero calls $36.

Turn: ($126)

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($126)

(2 players)
Hero bets $136 (All-In), Button folds.

edit { villain has less than a psb left}

Final Pot: $126

2) Same villain as above about 30 minutes later.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($334.25)
Hero ($198)
BB ($299.75)
UTG ($135.05)
MP ($237.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4

, A

.
2 folds, Button raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, 1 fold, Button calls $14.

Flop: ($42) T

, J

, 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($42) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $28, Button calls $28.

River: ($98) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $64,

3) Villain is running 22/16/4 reasonably agro this is my first 3 bet of him and i have a clean image. The table has just broke from 4 handed this is the 3rd hands of hu.

How bad is the cbet? This is a better hand to flat pf right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (2 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($400.85)
Button ($194)

Preflop: Hero is BB with

.
Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $26, Button calls $18.

Flop: ($52)

(2 players)
Hero bets $36, Button calls $36.

Turn: ($124)

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $132 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $124

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thizzSantaCruz

04-11-2008, 08:32 PM

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Hand 3 is a good hand to flat pf and the cbet is good.

Hand 2 I would check the turn also but as played I think your river bet is good, he should fold out all middle pairs.

Hand 1 I would usually cbet this flop, the river bet is a bluff hes definantly not calling with worse the question is will he fold a pocket pair.

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BigLRIP

04-11-2008, 11:45 PM

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1) very weird line, don't really like it tbh. I would rather fire flop and shove turn than this. After flop call I would definitely lead turn, where you just planning on c/f the turn after flop call? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

2) i just think you get looked up light here after not betting the flop. Unless you are in the habit of checking big hands on the flop (and villain knows this) I could see him calling down with something like 88.

3) standard without better reads

Marshall28

04-12-2008, 12:33 AM

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1 .. .super spew, really bad river card to bluff

2. why are you checking the flop? you dont have anything, u have to try to take down the pot or just give up. theres no reason to bet the turn if u r gonna check the flop, u got a really lucky river card which probly pushed him off his small-med pr but u cant count on that. if u r blufffing/semibluffing preflop, u have to continue to do so on the flop. players at 100nl dont think deeply enough for a play like this to be profitable.

3. super standard

meeloche

04-12-2008, 04:26 AM

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this is 200nl btw.

hand 1 I agree my line is weird and I was planning to c/f the turn. However I know he's not a good reg so I'm not totally worried about him reading souls. When he checks the turn I put him on a weak 1 pair hand that I don't think can call a river shove even if it doesn't make a lot of sense.

BigLRIP

04-12-2008, 09:14 AM

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calling the flop to c/f turn seems pretty bad. River bet is good, I think you have the best hand a decent amount. It's tough to say whether or not he folds 77-1010 (or whether he checks those back on the turn).

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04-12-2008, 09:21 AM

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Hand 1 is weird, meh.
I really hate the double barrel on the second hand.

Why aren't you just firing away after taking it to the 3rd floor? (or check/folding) You're repping a very strong hand and your flop checks seem to be giving up too much against the vast majority of players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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meeloche

04-14-2008, 04:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Why aren't you just firing away after taking it to the 3rd floor? (or check/folding) You're repping a very strong hand and your flop checks seem to be giving up too much against the vast majority of players.

I agree this is my problem in 3 bet pots at the moment. I just find that in 3 bet pots the majority of my range should have more showdown value since the pot is larger? I don't want to get blown out so I check. Villain shows little interest in his hand on later streets/ he also has a hand with showdown value that is likely better than mine so I turn my hand into a bluff.

I was watching a recent leggo vid and I think I have a better idea of the range of the range of hands that certain people have in 3 bet pots.

Thoughts on paragraph 1?

meeloche

04-14-2008, 04:49 AM

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oh also bump cause more replies would be nice.

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04-14-2008, 01:22 PM

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1-weird, but possibly good if he isnt terrible.
2-nah just c/f all the way
3-usually call preflop but good as played

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