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Old 08-05-2008, 11:39 PM     Post subject: position on donkey, turn play question #1 (permalink)  
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Okay, opp here is playing 46/11/1.2
if it was against a more aggressive player, i'd probably check behind on flop but I dont see why I shouldn't bet here. I definitely like the turn, now I have a couple of questions on what to do here. I'm in position, I hit a great turn, do I want to bet here or check behind and bet a non-4flush river? If i bet the turn here, am I committing and shoving to a CR?

If it wasn't a 3flush flop, I would bet/shove the turn no question, however I'm running into a lot of huge hands lately on 3flush boards where I'm just crushed with TPTK etc..

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Stacks:
UTG sylvian ($211.45)
UTG+1 norasadei ($107.70)
CO ggZ750 ($159.32)
BTN Hero ($185.00)
SB comago ($145.13)
BB markxxx ($20.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN
3 folds, Hero raises to $6, comago calls $5, 1 fold

Flop: ($14, 2 players)
comago checks, Hero bets $10, comago calls $10

Turn: ($34, 2 players)
comago checks, Hero bets $22, comago raises to $44, Hero calls $22

River: ($122, 2 players)
comago bets $85.13, Hero folds

Final Pot: $207.13

comago wins $204.13 ( won +$59 )
Hero lost -$60.00
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Old 08-06-2008, 02:14 AM #2 (permalink)  
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this line is just so retarded by him. but he is a stupid player so dont put it past him to show up with stupid stuff. TBH, i bet flop harder and 3bet shove turn. As played, im a station and call. I'd expect people to say fold tho.

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Old 08-06-2008, 02:27 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 calling the turn to fold to a blank turn is not very good. just ship it or fold on the turn. the smart move is probably folding, but im a donk so i would probably ship it.
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Old 08-06-2008, 05:35 AM #4 (permalink)  
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do you ever think checking the turn behind against this type of v loose passive player is a good idea?
i agree calling the turn to fold to a blank river isn't the smartest, in which case if I feel strongly about being beat on the turn I should have folded for the extra $22 there. I'd say it's pretty rare that he has less than 2pr+ here when doing this, I don't even think he's doing that, imho this is almost always a flopped flush as the turn will card didn't change his hand.

here's an interesting scenario though, say i check the turn behind, how do we react to a sizeable river bet on this type of river? flat or raise?
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Old 08-06-2008, 10:32 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Don't open K2o on the button when the SB is going to call you with at least 40% of his hands. The bulk of the value of this raise is steal equity and you have very little with him behind you. You rape this guy by raising stuff like any two cards nine or higher. Eight or higher suited. Consider button limping if he's really retarded.

Make up your fucking mind on the turn. I would stack off here every time against him.
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Old 08-06-2008, 03:27 PM #6 (permalink)  
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thanks,
i've just recently loosened up my game a bit, which has primarily come from cutoff/button raising limpers as well as increasing my steal% quite a lot. I haven't quite worked out which type of hands I'm best to raise from these positions, and against what types of players.
I just don't want to go back to nit again...
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Old 08-06-2008, 03:58 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 ship the turn though
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Old 08-06-2008, 04:01 PM #9 (permalink)  
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so what are you putting him on here? AK or AA ?
what range of his hands are we crushing, and what range of his hands crush us?
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The mistake is raising pre-flop with K-2 against a loose player in SB...
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Old 08-07-2008, 08:43 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 fold turn obviously
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:54 PM #12 (permalink)  
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As played you would have to call but I just fold the turn. Turn check/minraises from donks is such a nut line that I rather fold my two pair.
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