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sweetlemon69
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08-09-2008, 08:33 PM
Post subject: PLEASE help me plug these FKN leaks...
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Guys... on massive tilt right now... had thee worst sessions in my life the past few times... I REALLY hope it's just a cooler. Although I know there's tones of leaks. This is the first time I'm doing this. Call me a donk, anything to make me smarten up. Getting so fustrated at 10NL I find myself moving up to 25NL because i'm sick of playing ABC poker. I've done a total of 50k hands at FR, and only 10k here. I KNOW 10k hands isn't even enough, but I mean there's got to be some signs of poor play with these stats and this much data.
Here's my stats at 6max 10NL.
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d0zer
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Yer won$WSF is low.
win more pots 
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sweetlemon69
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idiot
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ATOTHEC101
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dont mess with a tilted man.
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"This sure beats Super Mario Bros.!" is my ejaculation catch phrase.
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
idiot
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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
dont mess with a tilted man.
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mister lemon. You desperately need to come over so that I can see first hand the gaping holes in your nitty ass 
*doubleentendresterbates*
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EzDuzIt
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play some hands
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bair
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you need to be playing way looser preflop
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bair
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d0zer
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sick winrate for a lagg style at the micros.
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sweetlemon69
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Originally Posted by bair
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See, these are my dream stats.
I think i'm bringing to much of my nitty self from FR to 6max.
I still find myself not calling 3bets or cold calling with stuff like AJ+,KJ+,QJ+ etc etc IP. I think my serious holes are not properly putting people on ranges post flop, etc.
I just find it so hard to play this loose when every person at the table is loose. I keep thinking to myself that I need to be playing tight. I think I'm chosing wrong times to isolate loose players with shitty hands like JTo and stuff... *sigh*
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bair
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i dont call 3bets or cold call with hands like AJ, KJ, QJ. i 3-bet or fold for the most part unless its super cheap.
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nutsinho
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oh my god play twice as many hands please
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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Marshall28
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u r very very many hands away from getting to play non-abc poker. might as well take the time to learn how to do it.
btw ... 3betting isnt a skill necessary to beat those games. cold calling hands like AJ KQ KJ QJ QT etc is fine.
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JL
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You might be c-betting too much. Your Flop AF looks high.
Loose players will call the flop super light, so c-betting too often against these players is a huge leak.
Try checking the flop with hands that have good showdown value.
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Marshall28
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Originally Posted by JL
You might be c-betting too much. Your Flop AF looks high.
Loose players will call the flop super light, so c-betting too often against these players is a huge leak.
Try checking the flop with hands that have good showdown value.
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this is pretty good advice, id just add that u should be thinking each time u go to bet the flop, the questions you should ask yourself are "will he fold any better hands?" and "will he call any worse hands?" obviously if he will fold better hands u should bluff, and if he will call worse hands u should value bet.
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sweetlemon69
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
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Originally Posted by JL
You might be c-betting too much. Your Flop AF looks high.
Loose players will call the flop super light, so c-betting too often against these players is a huge leak.
Try checking the flop with hands that have good showdown value.
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this is pretty good advice, id just add that u should be thinking each time u go to bet the flop, the questions you should ask yourself are "will he fold any better hands?" and "will he call any worse hands?" obviously if he will fold better hands u should bluff, and if he will call worse hands u should value bet. |
So just to elaborate on these two excellent posts;
Showdown value meaning, like, If I have AK, and I wiff a flop vs an extremely loose player, feel free to check it down as the loose V is calling with ATC that AK is ahead a huge amount of time?
And when thinking about betting, 'calling with worse', are we looking for a "calls flop a high % of the time" + very loose preflop?
And about "will he fold better hands", are we looking for a tight player who's calling range is pretty narrow prelfop + we've wiffed the flop on a safe board + his "folds to flop bet/cbet % is high'? A board like 23Q rainbow, a cbet there? But a board like 9QJ two-tone, check it?
And nutshindo totally agree, I need tons of more hands, but I'm sure you can sort of see some bat habits already starting with the sample provided, plus your years of experience 
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AnTman_69
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Watcha complaing about?
Sure your winrate could be a little higher, but at least it is a winrate, and not a "lose-rate". Keep it up.
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bigspenda73
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You're extremely tight PF
HOWEVER, that is not the major problem. The bigger problem is you play such a strong range yet you don't win anywhere near the amount of pots you should for playing so tight. Figure out where you're giving up on pots too soon, where you could potentially pick up a few more pots, and how you could do a better job of not blowing players out of pots when you hold strong hands.
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noble007
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Select the hands where you vpip but weren't the pfr.
Are you making any money on those hands?
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Currently thinking of a new quote/signature... Some sort of prayer to the Poker gods for enlightment etc..
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badgers
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How is it even possible to have such a low w$wsf with nitty stats like that?
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3k post - Return of the blog!
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bode
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Originally Posted by badgers
How is it even possible to have such a low w$wsf with nitty stats like that?
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thats confusing me too. those stats are the definition of weak/tight.
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Marshall28
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Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
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Originally Posted by JL
You might be c-betting too much. Your Flop AF looks high.
Loose players will call the flop super light, so c-betting too often against these players is a huge leak.
Try checking the flop with hands that have good showdown value.
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this is pretty good advice, id just add that u should be thinking each time u go to bet the flop, the questions you should ask yourself are "will he fold any better hands?" and "will he call any worse hands?" obviously if he will fold better hands u should bluff, and if he will call worse hands u should value bet. |
So just to elaborate on these two excellent posts;
Showdown value meaning, like, If I have AK, and I wiff a flop vs an extremely loose player, feel free to check it down as the loose V is calling with ATC that AK is ahead a huge amount of time?
And when thinking about betting, 'calling with worse', are we looking for a "calls flop a high % of the time" + very loose preflop?
And about "will he fold better hands", are we looking for a tight player who's calling range is pretty narrow prelfop + we've wiffed the flop on a safe board + his "folds to flop bet/cbet % is high'? A board like 23Q rainbow, a cbet there? But a board like 9QJ two-tone, check it? |
u r thinking too much dude. i dont even look at these stats when im making the decision as to whether or not i should c-bet. the only stats i really care about are his vpip and pfr. reason is, generally a player with a very high vpip and low pfr is going to have to be calling a lot more on the flop and turn in order to get to showdown... hes playing so many hands that he is thinking "if theres any way i can win the pot i should call" ... so he does with gutshots, overcards, 1 over + gutshot ... bottom pair ... all sorts of random stuff like that.
if the player is tight preflop, he probly has some semblance of an idea as to what hes doing ... when he calls its usually gonna be with a small pair looking to hit a set, or two big cards ... after the flop u can generally put them on a much narrower range of hands and it's much easier to play.
lastly ... the msot important thing to remember in these situations is what the guy did last time and what he has shown down ... did he call 2 bets out of position with a draw and check the river after he missed? that's real important, or did he call down 2 bets with top pair good kicker and show that down? think about how u would want to bet in the future against each of those types of players, and thats how to play poker.
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Drop down to the Stars 1c/2c 6 max game and learn how to play poker.
Right now you're just hand camping against loose players who pay you off.
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