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JeffreyGB
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08-27-2007, 04:39 AM
Post subject: Playing the habitual floater
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4-of-a-Kind
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A number of the regs I've seen since moving to 2/4 are habitual floaters. They float most c-bet-worthy flops in position, and then bet most turns if checked to. I've considered the following adjustments (and used each a few times to varying levels of success). Which do you prefer and why?
1.C-bet less. What does betting the flop accomplish if they fold nothing and I have air? Builds a bigger pot that I have to get away from later.
1.b. C/R flops more. Obv if I'm checking more flops, villains will be betting more of them. C/R accounts for some of this.
2. 2nd barrel more turns. Here we get folds from air-floaters, but lose more to people who actually had something on the flop.
3. C/R turns more. Here we're assuming that we've c-bet the flop and been called. We're making a check our standard line and raising most bets if we have value, and occasionally with air. This may send a message and slow villain from auto-betting our turn check, however it gets less value if villain has a weaker made hand and will tend to lose a big pot if called or raised.
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shouldn't the correct answer be any of the above when necessary? i generally like 3 and 4 more because it keeps the pressure on our opponents a lot more.
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Dislexsik
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Full House
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Âll of the things u posted can be used, its not that i just do one of the points u said against floaters, ill use all of them.
allthough in general firing again on turn or river can be the most effective.
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HiLo
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This is something I have been thinking alot about recently and agree with what has been said above.
I would be interested to hear peoples thoughts on altering pre-flop strategy to cope with habitual floaters with position on us. Specifically adjustments to PFR size to keep pots smaller with unpaired cards and bigger with PPs, and altering our EP hand selection to be weighted more towards lower SCs etc so villain can gets a nasty surprise when trying to rep a straight or flush when we actually have it.
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EzDuzIt
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Full House
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not really a good idea to make different size bets with differnt hands preflop.
theres not really any need to change things up preflop, a habitual floater is pretty easy to exploit postflop.
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SmackinYaUp
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Yup just mix it up. Sometimes c/r the turn with air, sometimes with tptk, sometimes with a monster. Sometimes bet the turn again with all of the above. Mix it up with air as well occasionally. And then sometimes you have to let the floaters take it.
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arkana
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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
a habitual floater is pretty easy to exploit postflop.
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Only the bad ones. A decent player that has position on you and isn't afraid to play for stacks with marginal hands once he realises you are playing back at him will have a big edge over you. Thats why I normally tighten up preflop as well as c\r and second barrel more if a decent player is floating me.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Double barrel Qxx, Kxx, and Axx boards a lot more.
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