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Harry
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02-24-2007, 02:51 AM
Post subject: Playing back
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23/20/4.87 regular I've played with a lot. She has been tearing me up to be honest, reraising my steals, flat calling and raising any flop I am likely to have missed. I started just avoiding her tables, and leaving when she takes a seat on my left. I just noticed her sit down to my left on 2 of my tables and was preparing to leave.
Standard play if I'm sure she is doing this with air a ton of the time?
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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
4 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $267.50
Button: $315.30
Hero: $245
BB: $203
Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with A  Q 
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, BB calls.
Flop: 8 T  T ($12, 2 players)
Hero bets $8, BB raises to $22, Hero raises to $60
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DaNutsInYoEye
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lol... the Yeti theorem in action.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Galapogos
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
lol... the Yeti theorem in action.
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Can you explain the Yeti theorem though I think I might know what it is by looking at the hand history?
Harry, why don't you just make a play like this when you actually have a hand if she is doing this to you that much? And stop c-betting OOP against her.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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andy-akb
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The yeti theorem: Any 3bet on a [dry] paired flop is a bluff
Anyways, I do think this is a board where you need to do soemthing against a player that is playing back at you, but Im not sure if this is it. A call and c/r turn line may be more believable, but there are still some players who will just fold to this 3bet because they raised simply thinking that you have nothing. This is not the type of player that Id be doing this against though [and I would rarely actually suggest doing this].
If you are getting pushed off hands, tighten up or move tables. Adjusting is one thing, but spewing is another.
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gabe
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call flop raise, lead turn for 2/3 is my favorite way
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DaNutsInYoEye
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What's your plan if she calls?
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Harry
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
What's your plan if she calls?
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To shut down because I am obviously beat. I obviously did it because I believe she folds here enough to make this +EV.
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Harry
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[quote="Galapogos"]
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
Harry, why don't you just make a play like this when you actually have a hand if she is doing this to you that much? And stop c-betting OOP against her.
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I wouldn't do this when I actually have a hand because I don't expect her to call.
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Originally Posted by Harry
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
What's your plan if she calls?
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To shut down because I am obviously beat. |
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I wouldn't do this when I actually have a hand because I don't expect her to call.
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You see the problem now?
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Harry
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yea this looks bluffy. I like the stack a donk line, or calling and leading the turn a lot more.
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Harry
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Originally Posted by gabe
call flop raise, lead turn for 2/3 is my favorite way
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I think this is probably the best & cheapest way.
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DaNutsInYoEye
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You start your post by giving your opponent a lot of credit and then post a hand where you give her none? You're beating yourself. Your line is almost never a real hand but you some how expect her to believe it is this time? If she calls and you check the turn, unless you're leveling, then almost never a hand changes to you're completely full of shit. She bets with anything on the turn because you're folding.
If you take Gabe's line of calling the flop raise and then leading the turn you're investing the same amount of money but giving yourself a lot more credibility. Although she probably doesn't have much here, you need to be aware that it's likely that you don't have what you're respresenting either. I'd just fold to her raise and wait for a better opporunity. There are better ways to deal with floaters.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Genitruc
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if you think she's doing this with absolute air the sickest is to flat-call and CR ai on the turn.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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