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Harry
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09-16-2006, 08:50 PM
Post subject: Play top two super fast?
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $73.85
UTG+1: $122.35
CO: $53.55
Button: $6.20
SB: $9.50
BB: $30.15
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K T
Hero raises to $2, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, 3 folds.
Flop: K T 9 ($4.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO raises to $9, Hero raises to $30.5...
Villain is around 15/8
Btw If I am going to raise here I think the correct size is to around $26. Don't know why I did $30.
Do you call and play this on the turn? I just felt like there was a lot of scare cards that could come that would make me douby my two pair.
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If those stats are over a reliable sample QJ is probably not in his range. 999 is and poossibly even TTT (unlikely). AQs is definitely in his range though and so is AK, etc, I'm felting this here too. And I'm playing it very fast as well.
I think KTo utg there is a little loose btw, but whatever.
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Originally Posted by aislephive
If those stats are over a reliable sample QJ is probably not in his range. 999 is and poossibly even TTT (unlikely). AQs is definitely in his range though and so is AK, etc, I'm felting this here too. And I'm playing it very fast as well.
I think KTo utg there is a little loose btw, but whatever.
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I agree. Very unlikely he has QJ unless it's sooooted. I also dump KTo UTG always.
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Yeah, usually dump this turkey pre-flop. If the table is really good I might limp it. If the table is really tight, I might raise it up.
Post-flop, I gamble it up and play a big pot here. Lots of worse hands will give you action on this board and fail that you figure to have 4 outs.
I'd probably either re-raise to $20 and push any turn or just push the flop.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
If the table is really good I might limp it.
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LOL 
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Its fine, but reraise a bit less
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and yeah, KTo is a terrible hand to be playing UTG at most tables.
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Fnord
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and yeah, KTo is a terrible hand to be playing UTG at most tables.
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If we're playing limp and see a flop poker without the California rake structure, KTo is a hand I'll take a flop with. Also, playing the hand draws less of a distinction between you and the other players.
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Well, limping in UTG on passive tables certainly aint bad, but on most tables the risk of a raise behind me makes me dump this from UTG (and I certainly dont want to raise it from that position).
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Originally Posted by Robert
and yeah, KTo is a terrible hand to be playing UTG at most tables.
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If we're playing limp and see a flop poker without the California rake structure, KTo is a hand I'll take a flop with. Also, playing the hand draws less of a distinction between you and the other players. |
LOL WTF Fnord! Come to your senses young padawan.
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Robert
and yeah, KTo is a terrible hand to be playing UTG at most tables.
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If we're playing limp and see a flop poker without the California rake structure, KTo is a hand I'll take a flop with. Also, playing the hand draws less of a distinction between you and the other players. |
LOL WTF Fnord! Come to your senses young padawan. |
for shizzle.
If you're going to play this hand it has to be for a raise if first in. Although I'm a nice antagonist for UTG limping. I've been autoraising these so far, although not with much success in my limited sample. I believe if you know how to play marginal hands OOP in NL (and i don't), then you should be raising these (and i shouldnt be, as much). Also, the decision to raise UTG is entirely table dependant: who is on your left, your reputation so far and how you have played against these opponents.
With good table and seat selection, against opponents that will routinely not float and instead fit/fold the flop, I'm raising this UTG all day long. I think at 50 NL and 100 NL you'll get this enough to be able to do it, but probably higher not so much.
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I would probably fold k 10 utg preflop. Wait a sec, I mean I always fold k 10 from utg preflop. That being said i like that you raised at least, but i doubt that if done consistently itll be a profitable hand for you from that position. While good players may be able to get away from it, I know I cant and I doubt that many players under 3-6 can either. But the fact that you raised with it makes it much better.
Only a fish would limp with k ten offsuit from under the gun. On a "good" table youll never get away from it either. If I ever see someone limping from the early with hands like k-10 i just tag them as a fish and abuse them accordingly. By the way, I hope if you are limping with k-10 then you are also limping with k-9, q-10, and q-9, as they are similar in value.
Limp with k-10 from under the gun. LOL
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