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Old 05-16-2007, 06:03 PM     Post subject: A place for a big bluff? #1 (permalink)  
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 opponent runs 20/16 and seems pretty aggressive and generally and ok player. Last hand he caught me making a river bluff, but otherwise i've been playing solidly.

I'm thinking... Yeti Theorem

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Old 05-16-2007, 06:18 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 05-16-2007, 06:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 05-16-2007, 06:47 PM #4 (permalink)  
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do you guys really think he's going away in this hand?

Are you shoving BECAUSE he 3-bet you on the flop? If he flat called, I'd imagine you would be more afraid of the K?
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Old 05-16-2007, 07:29 PM #5 (permalink)  
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without showing me cards i could tell you that SB should have called your flop raise then pushed over any bet you made on turn, or push riv if it checked through
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Old 05-16-2007, 07:45 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 05-16-2007, 07:52 PM #7 (permalink)  
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without showing me cards i could tell you that SB should have called your flop raise then pushed over any bet you made on turn, or push riv if it checked through
but what if his re-raise is going to get the OP to do this?
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Old 05-16-2007, 08:34 PM #8 (permalink)  
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rainbow paired flops: pissing contest
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Old 05-16-2007, 09:07 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 calling and pushing the turn is scarier but shoving flop is o.k. too.

Also, if he bets into you on turn after you call the flop 3-bet then he has the goods (assuming he's a thinking player like you say). Imagine your line from his POV...
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 05-16-2007, 09:24 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Old 05-16-2007, 09:28 PM #11 (permalink)  
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What the hell are you thinking?
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Old 05-16-2007, 09:59 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:10 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 Yeti Theorem ftw?
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:06 AM #14 (permalink)  
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 Isnt Yeti theorem something more like 225 or 227 rainbow or wtv...he could have a king here
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:54 AM #15 (permalink)  
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...he could have a king here
that doesn't mean he's not folding it to a flop shove

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calling and pushing the turn is scarier but shoving flop is o.k. too.
that's what i was thinking
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:57 AM #16 (permalink)  
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why would he rerraise wit ha king

why would he call a push with a king
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Old 05-17-2007, 01:03 AM #17 (permalink)  
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 baluga theorem easy shove lol get with the program guys.
POKERSTARS GAME #9931409946: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/05/15 - 19:12:36 (ET)
Table 'Carme II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Pier85 ($186.20 in chips)
Seat 2: tazzy36 ($46 in chips)
Seat 3: purediesel1 ($238.70 in chips)
Seat 4: cconnard ($197 in chips)
Seat 5: jdequino ($198.95 in chips)
Seat 6: redgrape ($200 in chips)
Pier85: posts small blind $1
tazzy36: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [9c Ts]
purediesel1: folds
cconnard: raises $6 to $8
jdequino: folds
redgrape: calls $8
Pier85: folds
tazzy36: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 8s 7d]
cconnard: bets $12
redgrape: raises $24 to $36
cconnard: raises $36 to $72
redgrape: raises $120 to $192 and is all-in
cconnard: folds
tazzy36 is disconnected
redgrape collected $160 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $163 | Rake $3
Board [8c 8s 7d]
Seat 1: Pier85 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tazzy36 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: purediesel1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: cconnard folded on the Flop
Seat 5: jdequino folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: redgrape (button) collected ($160)
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Old 05-17-2007, 01:03 AM #18 (permalink)  
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 baluga theorem easy shove lol get with the program guys.
POKERSTARS GAME #9931409946: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/05/15 - 19:12:36 (ET)
Table 'Carme II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Pier85 ($186.20 in chips)
Seat 2: tazzy36 ($46 in chips)
Seat 3: purediesel1 ($238.70 in chips)
Seat 4: cconnard ($197 in chips)
Seat 5: jdequino ($198.95 in chips)
Seat 6: redgrape ($200 in chips)
Pier85: posts small blind $1
tazzy36: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [9c Ts]
purediesel1: folds
cconnard: raises $6 to $8
jdequino: folds
redgrape: calls $8
Pier85: folds
tazzy36: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 8s 7d]
cconnard: bets $12
redgrape: raises $24 to $36
cconnard: raises $36 to $72
redgrape: raises $120 to $192 and is all-in
cconnard: folds
tazzy36 is disconnected
redgrape collected $160 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $163 | Rake $3
Board [8c 8s 7d]
Seat 1: Pier85 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tazzy36 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: purediesel1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: cconnard folded on the Flop
Seat 5: jdequino folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: redgrape (button) collected ($160)
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Old 05-17-2007, 02:12 AM #19 (permalink)  
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Old 05-17-2007, 02:32 AM #20 (permalink)  
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Hell, at least you had outs.
not really, DUCY
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Old 05-17-2007, 02:45 AM #21 (permalink)  
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Hell, at least you had outs.
not really, DUCY
negative. Explan please.
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:02 AM #22 (permalink)  
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yea wtf is isf talking about
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:13 AM #23 (permalink)  
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 if he calls surely he has a boat no?
Well yeah i guess not but that was my reasoning at the time i made the DUCY post.
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:18 AM #24 (permalink)  
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of course he can call with more than a boat
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yeti theorem...first time i heard of it. makes no sense. why would the 4bet on that kinda of board be a bluff all the time? is it because if you had a hand you'd just 4bet AI instead of leaving yourself some money behind?
 
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yeti theorem...first time i heard of it. makes no sense. why would the 4bet on that kinda of board be a bluff all the time? is it because if you had a hand you'd just 4bet AI instead of leaving yourself some money behind?
Yeti Theorem actually refers to the 3-bet on this board as being a bluff, not heros 4-bet. The idea is, if you actually had one of these hands you wouldn't blow your opponent out on the flop.


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Old 05-17-2007, 05:45 AM #27 (permalink)  
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of course he can call with more than a boat
i wasnt saying that, i was saying most of the time someone would make that sort of raise with a real hand id expect them to show up with a boat a lot, not everytime, not even close to everytime, but alot.

oh yeah this is yeti theorem right. What is baluga theorem then?
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of course he can call with more than a boat
i wasnt saying that, i was saying most of the time someone would make that sort of raise with a real hand id expect them to show up with a boat a lot, not everytime, not even close to everytime, but alot.

oh yeah this is yeti theorem right. What is baluga theorem then?
The baluga theorem is when villain flat calls your flop bet in position, then raises your turn lead.
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why "baluga" meaning = must be good in the sense of baluga caviar?? opposite of "yeti" (doesn't exists).

Also - important part of the theorem: raise on the turn == 1 pair no good.
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why "baluga" meaning = must be good in the sense of baluga caviar?? opposite of "yeti" (doesn't exists).

Also - important part of the theorem: raise on the turn == 1 pair no good.
i believe it's "reevaluate" not necessarily fold. there was a thread that advocated calling down on certain flops more than others, i.e. if it's all high cards you should be inclined to call (i think that's how it went).

i've always thought of the Baluga Theorem to be plain common sense.
 
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well I dunno this thread is first I heard of is so I googled "beluga theorem" actually getting two "definitions" (from random blogs/sites

1) a turn check-raise means your TP is no good
and
2) a turn raise after a flop call means one pair no good

Interestingly, the search had no twoplustwo resutls... I wonder if they block spiders?
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0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Thu May 17 13:51:30 EDT 2007
Table Table 125918 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: bliblablubb111 ( $200)
Seat 2: corrallie ( $460.92)
Seat 3: Hero ( $280.45)
Seat 4: Nurita72 ( $38.80)
Seat 6: cwchcl ( $228.80)
corrallie posts small blind (1)
Hero posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero[ J , A ]
Nurita72 folds.
corrallie raises (7) to 8
Hero calls (6)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Q , Q , 9 ]
corrallie bets (12)
Hero raises (34) to 34
corrallie raises (68) to 80
Hero raises (238.45) to 272.45
Hero is all-In.
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