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Chopper

11-13-2007, 06:04 PM Post subject: past two days losers

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hand one...

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($24.65)
SB ($7.30)
Hero ($26.25)
UTG ($28.20)
MP ($31.20)
CO ($28.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7

, 6

.
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.75) 6

, A

, 7

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, UTG calls $0.75, SB calls $0.75.

Turn: ($3) 3

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.5, UTG raises to $5.5, SB folds, Hero ??

a) calls
b) folds
c) shoves

which is more +EV, and why? what range do you put villain on?

hand two...classic leak of mine. how do i fix this line?

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP ($17.80)
Button ($22.75)
Hero ($40.25)
BB ($12.95)
UTG ($7.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with

.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, MP calls $1.

Flop: ($3.25)

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1, Hero raises to $3, MP calls $2.

Turn: ($9.25)

(2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP calls $4.

River: ($17.25)

(2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP raises to $9.3, Hero ??

a) call based on odds
b) never bet river...c/c...c/f
c) open-shove river

i think i know the answer, but what can i do to prevent this spot? i have to test the T on the turn, yes?

hand three...

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($7.65)
MP ($22.57)
Hero ($24.65)
Button ($33.27)
SB ($13.50)
BB ($4.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with

.
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $1, MP calls $1.

Flop: ($4.10)

(3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.5, UTG raises to $5, MP folds, Hero ??

a) calls
b) shoves over
c) wishes he hadnt played AJ to a raise in the first place.

hand four... good spot to bluff?

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($29.90)
Hero ($31.75)
CO ($44.92)
Button ($4.89)
SB ($30.33)
BB ($51.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with

.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Button calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3)

(4 players)
SB bets $3.5, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50, Button folds.

Turn: ($10)

(2 players)
SB bets $8.5, Hero raises to $27.5,

the range i have here is 55, TT+, 67s, J9s, Q5/QT+, KJ, suited clubs and hearts. maybe i left something out, but i am ahead of this range. but, was the push ok? or should i have called and called/raised river depending on how i improved?

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Chopper

11-13-2007, 06:18 PM

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and a winner...

heres one i thought for sure the river would get called. i bet so weakly for value because i was strong and had no where to go but to the nuts. and thought by slamming river, it would look very bluffy.

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB ($29.43)
UTG ($22.10)
Hero ($33.30)
Button ($19.35)
SB ($7.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with

.
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75, UTG folds.

Flop: ($2.35)

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1.

Turn: ($4.35)

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.75, BB calls $1.75.

River: ($7.85)

(2 players)
BB bets $3.5, Hero raises to $29.55, BB folds.

still bet for value here? around $5? or was this a decent looking shove? i really thought villain hit the flush, too.

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jackvance

11-13-2007, 06:38 PM

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1: I call and then c/c the river.. unraised pot I don't want to play a pot that is too big with a hand that i just one step above a pair. If this was a raised pot I'd like my hand a lot more now I'd go for pot control.

2: Yeah call for pot odds, you're most likely dead though.

3: Call then probably give up on a later street.. depends how loose/crazy the minraiser is.. oh yeah just fold if he's a typical nit.

4: Looks ok, but I might call too.. river then becomes harder when you miss and he bets big though. I have a strange feeling he's on AA/KK maybe AQ so we'll probably need that heart to beat him.

5: Bet like a man every street please.

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Jack Sawyer

11-14-2007, 12:44 AM

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hand 5: OMG, BET BET BETTTTBETTTTTTT!!!!!

that "two-street-float" maneuver seems to be getting popular, hmmmm...

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Vi-Zer0Skill

11-14-2007, 01:15 AM

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1). fold without more information
2). 3bet is 1-2BB too small. flop raise is also 2-3BB too small. On the turn checking is best, and after checking the turn i'd b/f the river for 1/4PSB (c/c is probably better versus more thinking players). As played you have to call now, and i'd probably c/c the river if i bet the turn.
3). Checking the flop is a good idea with anything less than A-K since it's tough to get three streets of value with one pair, and a c/r is scary on this flop. As played i'd fold on the flop without more information.
4). I think i've already seen the fourth one somewhere.

second post

1). flop bet should be a lot closer to $2, turn bet should be 3-4/4-5PSB. Getting donked into on the river in a 25NL game probably means i have a weak hand, so i'd make a value raise. He'll probably shove J-9cc over a raise anyways.

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Chopper

11-14-2007, 02:39 AM

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ok, guys. i know that the bets should be bigger in hand 5. i should have been more detailed in my "read/thoughts." as, i think they were justified there.

i think that hand extracted max value and heres why:

1) all bets bigger than 2/3 pot were folding players.
2) big raises were folding players.
3) this villain loved to call/call/bluff river.
4) i am usually SO far ahead in that situation, with a redraw to the nuts, that i want callers. i dont want to charge too much when the pressure point is so low.

i win either way on river. once turn gave me top two, i soft bet again...purposefully laying odds....because i want to string along an A in case the flush misses (it will bluff). and, i want to encourage a draw to chase profitably (because i have the nuts when it hits and can slam the pot where he cant fold because he thinks i am repping a flush HE made.). its a win/win so often, i am prepared for it to backfire if he has a set and my flush misses.

the process was not up for debate, as moronic as it looks to you guys. anyone who knows me, and my posts, knows that i dont lay correct odds when fearing a draw or when betting one myself.........ever.

the reason it was posted was because i wanted to know if the slam was justified or if i should have bet for value.

as it turned out (he never showed)...he didnt have a straight, flush, or set. none of those fold (based on player reads as calling station). he had a weak A and took his shot at repping the flush....i believed him and thought he hit it, too, and couldnt fold it.

the reason i say i made max value is because of his bluff, which i induced, on the river. thats an extra $3.50 that he would not have put in had i been sizing my bets correctly. he wouldnt have likely called a proper turn bet. so, i would have made a normal bet on the flop, and nothing further. this way i feel i made an extra couple of bucks.

but anyway...

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Chopper

11-14-2007, 02:50 AM

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vi,

does the "donked into on river means weak" mean i should call this donklead most times with better than TPGK almost regardless of boards?

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jackvance

11-14-2007, 05:35 PM

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If they all fold a lot to normal bets, I'd start bluffing more often rather than making small bets with strong hands.

It's like when people fold a lot to your preflop raises.. what do you do, start limping your AA? No, you raise a broader range of hands..

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Chopper

11-14-2007, 06:22 PM

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yeah, thats seems to be a concept that is taking a really long time to soak in.

sometimes its timing, too, i guess. i try and open up a bit somtimes, and its like they can see my cards. they call my 78s button raise, but fold to AA when i have it on the button. they fold to my leads with sets, but call the shit out of my semi-bluffs (and that sucks when you are missing a lot of draws in a session).

thanks.

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bigspenda73

11-14-2007, 06:44 PM

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if they fold tooooooo much raisey daisey then once they adjust tighten back up. It's quite simple really, we have to move past nut-camping in short-handed NL.

Chopper

11-14-2007, 08:35 PM

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amen.

it will ebb and flow, though. like a pendulum, it swings back and forth.

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mixchange

11-16-2007, 08:22 PM

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Hand 1: This comes down to UTG's range. What do you think that is, what has he been limping with? Most people here are limping with PPs, occasionally a suited weak ace. Hell, he could even have Aces here, given some awful micro UTG play I've seen with the limp UTG hoping for a raise to re-raise pf. He does not have a straight, and I don't see him limping something like AJ/AQ/AK. Really all you are beating are Ax without two pair. Which imo is not really that likely in his range. This pot looks like it's going for all the money, and I hate that without at least top two, and often that's not even good.

its pretty neutral here whether to call or to fold. Its not too much to call, but if we're behind we only have four outs. I think it comes down to your reads here on villain, his range is Ax and a set, you must decide whether he is willing to "slowplay" something like AQ/AK, even on the flop when he hits and someone raises and there is a draw on the board. He'd have to be a complete moron to make that play. If he's somewhat solid, his line means you're beat on the turn. Turn raises usually mean business, or really badly played hands... know your villain

hand 2 -

A) I like raising to $2 here pf. Never check this flop, ever. Don't try to check raise people in 3 bet pots.
B) If they hit a set, you are tending to pot committ yourself and it will make the hand hard to play. You should be winning a small to medium pot with queens. We aren't looking to play for all the money, and one extra bet from someone bluffing isn't worth the cost when we run into a set or slowplay KK/AA and stack off.

c) Bet the pot full both streets and check/call river.

Hand 3 -

Fold. Many limpers are set campers and Ax. You are beat often here. Re-raises usually mean more than one pair. Nitty, but saving extra bets in situations like this is crucial. You need to pick hands you think you are in the lead with and stick with them. We're in the dark here, you are going to call and miss one of the 3 outs you need (or you are almost drawing dead) and have to play two more streets.

Now, if there was a draw out I'd call, as some people love a minraise with drawing hands. But this is a dry flop, and you really only beat a weak ace. If you think villain will play back with a weaker non 2p ace, consider a call. Without a read I dump.

Hand 4 -- Just call here. He won't put you on the straight or heart draw if they hit, and he's calling your shove on the turn or river. Make it on the river so you stack him or can get away from a missed draw. I think your FE is low here, you raised pot basically.

Hand 5 bet more on all streets so you can make a river raise that isnt such an obvious monster

Chopper

11-17-2007, 07:09 PM

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mix, i cant thank you enough for the detailed thoughts.

now that really helped.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Vi-Zer0Skill

11-18-2007, 03:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

vi,

does the "donked into on river means weak" mean i should call this donklead most times with better than TPGK almost regardless of boards?

no

in the hand you posted it's likely your opponent was afraid of the possibility that you had made a flush. When you notice people making those bets (and also know that they are capable of folding) you can bluff raise them.

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bigspenda73

11-18-2007, 05:41 AM

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god they play with their hands so face up don't they Chopper!!

You just have to be willing to look

Chopper

11-18-2007, 04:24 PM

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yeah, i'm trying to keep this a bit of a secret, but the cat's coming out soon enough. rb + frequent reloads + stupid fish = bankroll building at its finest.

we should be over $2500 again by Christmas.

my new favorite holiday character? the Holiday DONKEY. he rides in with money in his saddlebags and just starts dropping it at random. i love him.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

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