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Old 02-17-2009, 11:20 AM     Post subject: One of my leaks, 200nl AKs postflop #1 (permalink)  
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Opp is a tagish player, nothing particularly amazing. Prob a reg. Ive been aggro at the tables earlier without much SD but ive cooled off some.

Im def having bet sizing trouble here, I plan on barrelling any diamond, A, K obv but if i do i dunno wot to bet. THis is also linked to my flop play too obv. If we bet a decent amount we gotta call a shove which sucks.

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UTG Lucky Seat ($234.80)
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BB Hero ($203.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB
2 folds, EqWillIbrium raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $24, EqWillIbrium calls $17

Flop: ($49, 2 players)
Hero bets $28, EqWillIbrium calls $28

Turn: ($105, 2 players)
Hero ($151)?
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Old 02-17-2009, 12:33 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Not so much to give advice, but to give my thoughts;

I would consider c/fing flop depending on villain, and as played I'd c/c or c/f turn depending on odds.
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Old 02-17-2009, 12:49 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I definitely bet the flop here.

You can't really shove because this sets up a hero call with pretty much everything. The ten actually is not a bad card for you, but it is a bad card in the sense that if you shove your going to be put on this sort of hand so much any pair will call you.

What do people think of a small bet like $38 on the turn?
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Old 02-17-2009, 01:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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if we bet 38 we are def shoving rivers right???
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Old 02-17-2009, 01:25 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 This is the type of spot I like a bet flop, check turn, bet river line.

I think we would check the turn with a reasonably large portion of our hands here, including a lot of our overpairs. I think he will bet all Tx here on the turn, as to not slowplay on such a drawy board. Weaker hands/pairs will probably check back choosing pot control over protection.

If he bets, I may c/c or c/f depending on the sizing.
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:29 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 bet flop bc of overs+bdfd, it hink without the flush possibility i would c/f a fair bit

weird spot on turn, i have no idea, probably would check/eval. if bets large you have to just fold, but htis is a freeze card in the sense that he's really unlikely to bet with his planned floats, so fi he bets he prob has a good hand.
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:28 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I like making bigger cbets on flops like this when I know I'm going to barrel a lot or turn cards because it sets up the turn nicely for a ~PSB shove. It also works well for your value range because stacks are good on the flop to induce a shove with draws or w/e and of course there's no harm betting big on wet flops to protect. And I'm not concerned about betting and getting shoved off my hand on the flop by a draw because my cbetting range on these wet flops is pretty heavily weighted towards value anyway so it balances.
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 Flop bet is kind of small isnt it
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:52 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 i would bet like 32, yes i realize 40 something makes for a nice neat shove on turn, but who really gives a fck honestly. If you turn an A K or diamond it wouldn't make a bit of difference imo.
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Old 02-18-2009, 03:28 AM #10 (permalink)  
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So just shove turns for 1.3 PSB? That works too. I'm fine with anywhere from $32-$40.
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 Cbet is super small, it's a drawy board I'd pretty much always bet at least 35$ if I do decide to bet.

As played I'd probably check or bet like 35$.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:07 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Ok so I def should of bet about $35 on flop, reason being flop is drawy and we are OOP so lets try take it down right now.

I take it that if we did bet flop bigger then we can shove turn for roughly a PSB on this turn card right??

Also if we use my line that betting 1/3 pot on turn is best then shove river,okay?
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:25 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 i d bet 75

calling a shove doesn t suck at all
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:34 AM #14 (permalink)  
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i d bet 75

calling a shove doesn t suck at all
tbh I think thats my leak, well its kinda wot I did here. Obv calling a shove is marginal okay after we bet big but im strongly considering betting big here is bad. If we get shoved on here opp has at least a T, so i think we are getting shoved on very little in general since i figure only Tx hands are AT, JT. (T9 prob raise flop). So therefore betting small (folding to raise) and shoving PSB on river is best since opp then shows how weak his hand really is and we can still rep a hand.

Also betting small on turn is i guess a blocking bet defending against bluffs/medium hands betting.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:01 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 how are we only getting shoved on by Tx+?

From his perspective, why are we betting small if we have a big hand now that a zillion draws are on the board?

Betting small looks to me like we are repping a boat or a bluff so I'd do it pretty much never
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 02-19-2009, 07:40 AM #16 (permalink)  
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id assume he ships big draws on the flop
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