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mg0698
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08-17-2009, 03:29 AM
Post subject: NL100 my AK got cold 4bet
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Initaial opener is a nitty reg (15/12/2) but he doesn't fold to 3bets so i obv 3 bet for value which is pretty standard.
The cold 4 better is a TAG playing 19/15/5 haven't seen him doing anything unusual has a 3bet% of 4.
FWIW i almost never fold AK PF is this a spot where we can find a fold?
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Parasurama
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how do you think he views you?
His range is QQ+/AK at the tightest
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bspahn
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i like your preflop 3bet sizing. you have like 12% of your stack in there. if his REGULAR 3betting is 4% only then in this spot it's definitely QQ+/AK and more likely just the big pairs - I fold here.
id say this opp would easily ditch hands like TT or JJ in this spot even preflop, even AK in most cases.
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I think you can fold this considering BB has a 3b of 4%
although for that stat to mean anything it would have to be several hundred hands
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minSim
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fold>call>shove
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bode
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Originally Posted by minSim
fold>call>shove
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fold>>>>shove>call
what does calling do for us here? It loses us ~30% of our stack 2/3 of the time, and the 1/3 of the time we flop good we scare away QQ, splitting with his AK's and are crushed by AA/KK.
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
how do you think he views you?
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This is very important in these spots imo and shouldn't be overlooked
For example, I 3bet a shit ton in position and as a direct result I get 4 bet pretty often whether that be from the blinds making a play knowing I can be light or the the original raiser just fed up with me fucking with him. I know they know that and act accordingly. I'm not sure 100NL players have these plays in their arsenal but it's definately feasable.
That being said I don't think a 19/15 at 6max is imaginative enough to level you like this and is not dicking around too much in this spot
Definately agree with Bode here
Fold>>>Shove and call should never even cross your mind without history and pretty serious reads
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d0zer
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I think it's generally a good policy to take cold 4bets really seriously unless you think they could be doing it relatively wide, or are capable of cold 4b bluffing.
I would not assume that a 19/15 who only 3bets 4% even close to meets this criteria.
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by bode
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Originally Posted by minSim
fold>call>shove
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fold>>>>shove>call
what does calling do for us here? It loses us ~30% of our stack 2/3 of the time, and the 1/3 of the time we flop good we scare away QQ, splitting with his AK's and are crushed by AA/KK. |
well shoving loses us 100% of our stack 2/3 of the time so I think minSim was right
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Renton
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pretty standard shove
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Parasurama
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Originally Posted by Renton
pretty standard shove
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Hey that's what I tried to say!
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minSim
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Not sure why you all say it's such a standard shove, imo we're basically always facing AK/JJ+, which makes the shove -EV.
Bode, I profered call over shove because we can outflop JJ/QQ a decent amount and get a cbet, outflop KK sometimes and win the pot against AK sometimes when he doesn't cbet bad boards.
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Renton
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its barely -ev vs JJ+ AK but with the limited reads op has, we must give villain a non zero bluff/tilt/TT/AQ frequency.
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Marshall28
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My only question is, why are you playing in such nitty games?
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Originally Posted by Renton
pretty standard shove
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I'm surprised to hear a FR player advocate such a high variance play like this, especialy if you're taking 1010 and AQ out and getting it in as a 2.5:1 dog
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Renton
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that post is kind of ridiculous
1) why would he 4bet TT/AQ and fold for the rest with 100bb?
2) where are you getting a 2.5:1 dog? we're a 1.5:1 dog vs the tightest possible range.
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mixchange
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
My only question is, why are you playing in such nitty games?
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haha good post, he has position on a nitty reg I hope MP is a fish
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