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seatown1two
Old 08-18-2008, 08:15 AM     Post subject: NL10... What's my turn action here? #1 (permalink)  

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This is my first post here I've been reading this site for the past few months and there is definately a a lot of good hand analysis goin on here so lets see what you guys think.

No real reads on either player other than bb seemed loose and careless playing his cards too much and tryin to du..

Bodog History for Hand #1336362458
Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008-08-18 00:42:42
Table 'Sulamani (max 6)' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: PAKMAN1 ($4.51)
Seat 5: Tzesar ($10.76)
Seat 6: AAcrackedKK ($9.25)
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NEW HAND
AAcrackedKK: posts the small blind $0.05
PAKMAN1: posts the big blind $0.10
--- DEALING POCKETS
AAcrackedKK is dealt [Th,Qd]
Tzesar: calls $0.10
AAcrackedKK: raises $0.10 to $0.20
PAKMAN1: raises $0.10 to $0.30
Tzesar: calls $0.20
AAcrackedKK: calls $0.10
--- DEALING FLOP [Ts,9s,5c]
AAcrackedKK: checks
PAKMAN1: bets $0.25
Tzesar: calls $0.25
AAcrackedKK: raises $1.25 to $1.50
PAKMAN1: folds
Tzesar: calls $1.25
--- DEALING TURN [Qh]
???

Just curious if this would be good spot 4 to crai?
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Old 08-18-2008, 09:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Probably limp or fold preflop. If you are going to raise preflop, raise at least 4xbb.

Check turn because straight could easily be out there......

(disclaimer: I am pretty crap, only playing 2nl at the moment)
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Old 08-18-2008, 01:00 PM #3 (permalink)  
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bodog had a bet pot button, when you raise preflop just use that instead of minraising. You obviously playing with people who will cal you down light and chase with no odds, so instead of trying to get tricky your best bet is to bet it 3/4pot instead of possibly giving a free card to any straight or a flush draw. At 10nl dont get tricky, just play it straightforward and you will save a lot of headache.
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Old 08-18-2008, 06:21 PM #4 (permalink)  
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firstly well done for joining i'm seeing the benifits already

pf you MUST NEVER min raise like this pf against these kinds of players especially out of pos. it achieves nothing-they will always call it and it means nothing to them. its just risking unneccessary money. Raise 3-4x or fold

i would bet the flop 3-way against careless players: tp 10 is extremely vulnerable on later streets. Also it makes them overpay to see more cards-the application of real pot/implied odds is non existent to many players at 10nl

turn i see little reason to slow down especially with the spade draw still out-bet again: $2.60??? if he hit a straight you'll soon find out-unlucky if he did
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Old 08-18-2008, 06:24 PM #5 (permalink)  
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also 'play it straightforward' is probably the best advice at this level- betting your good hands well and not trying to be too smart against monkey equivalents will see you through good. its boring but then you can move up
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:17 PM #6 (permalink)  

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Yes I know i shouldn't be minraising pf ever. I guess these guys were both just starting to get annoying and had finally suckered me into their bs donkey game.

Maybe I was wrong to crai and should have just led pot but my intention was to take it on the flop as well as make them pay a little bit more if they are drawing and I was 99% sure one of the two would lead out....

--- DEALING TURN [Qh]
AAcrackedKK: bets $3.55
Tzesar: raises $3.55 to $7.10

Ok, honestly I felt no different about my hand on the turn then I did on the flop. I believe the pot was around $5.50 and I didn't like the idea of giving any free cards now that the board looks pretty coordinated and fuck... god damn turn min raise... now what do I do? should I be able to get away here when I've already invested over half my stack?
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Old 08-19-2008, 08:33 PM #7 (permalink)  
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even after his min raise, a lot of the time you will find 0.10NL players (generally complete asses) turn over their cards and have an over-valued 1/2 pair: ok so you'll run into bigger hands a fair amount of the time, but when virtually too deep into the pot to pull out i would rarely fold this
unless of course you have concluded he is a reasonable player from previous action
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Old 08-20-2008, 12:32 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Dont minraise preflop, either make a proper raise or fold, as played raising the original limpers pussy bet is fine, as we have him beat most of the time and its also highly unlikely the preflop min 3 better has anything either due to him just calling the flop bet rather than raising. once you turn top 2 pair get that money the hell in, doing anything but getting the money in on the turn would be uber bad.
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Originally Posted by seatown1two
Maybe I was wrong to crai and should have just led pot but my intention was to take it on the flop as well as make them pay a little bit more if they are drawing and I was 99% sure one of the two would lead out....

--- DEALING TURN [Qh]
AAcrackedKK: bets $3.55
Tzesar: raises $3.55 to $7.10
Get allin. Your good the majority of the time here me thinks.
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Old 08-24-2008, 09:49 AM #10 (permalink)  

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For anyone following this thread just wanted to make sure I wasn't wrong here 4 felting here.. Too bad he did have it tho..

Bodog History for Hand #1336362458
Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008-08-18 00:42:42
Table 'Sulamani (max 6)' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: PAKMAN1 ($4.51)
Seat 5: Tzesar ($10.76)
Seat 6: AAcrackedKK ($9.25)
------------------------------
NEW HAND
AAcrackedKK: posts the small blind $0.05
PAKMAN1: posts the big blind $0.10
--- DEALING POCKETS
AAcrackedKK is dealt [Th,Qd]
Tzesar: calls $0.10
AAcrackedKK: raises $0.10 to $0.20
PAKMAN1: raises $0.10 to $0.30
Tzesar: calls $0.20
AAcrackedKK: calls $0.10
--- DEALING FLOP [Ts,9s,5c]
AAcrackedKK: checks
PAKMAN1: bets $0.25
Tzesar: calls $0.25
AAcrackedKK: raises $1.25 to $1.50
PAKMAN1: folds
Tzesar: calls $1.25
--- DEALING TURN [Qh]
AAcrackedKK: bets $3.55
Tzesar: raises $3.55 to $7.10
AAcrackedKK: goes all in $3.90
Tzesar: calls $0.35
Tzesar: shows [Jc Kc]
AAcrackedKK: shows [Th Qd]
--- DEALING RIVER [3h]
AAcrackedKK: shows [Th Qd]
Tzesar: shows [Jc Kc]
Hand 1336362458:
Tzesar: wins main pot($19.03)
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One question tho, if I'm villian here, is it worth it for me calling the flop given the same action knowing hero is likely to stack off here?
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Old 08-24-2008, 09:53 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 I always love when they minraise and leave like 30 cents behind

hand is fine except for PF
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