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Robb
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03-24-2008, 03:47 AM
Post subject: nl10 AA 3bet pot w/ KQJ flop
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$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($22.12)
CO ($19.00)
BTN ($16.67)
SB ($1.95)
Hero ($10.10)
Pre-flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is BB  
UTG raises to $0.2, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.2, SB calls $0.15, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG folds, BTN calls $1.3, SB folds
Flop:    ($3.4, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, BTN raises to $14.8, Hero ??
Full hand: http://weaktight.com/138106
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Muzzard
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Sick, fold. Range is JJ/QQ and 2P hands, you aret ahead here often enough to call.
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Robb
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Originally Posted by Muzzard
Sick, fold. Range is JJ/QQ and 2P hands
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AK, AQ, AJ, ATs, JTs, TT??
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he limped on the button, we can at least put TT and JT in his range.
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microgrinder
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Snap call because of pot odds.
You're getting better than 2:1. Easily ahead of even the worst possible ranges.
Edit: even this is close, lol. (I put in every single hand that you're behind except for T9.)
Board: Ks Qh Jd
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.883% 69.37% 01.51% 181305 3955.50 { KK-JJ, ATs, KJs+, QJs, ATo, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 29.117% 27.60% 01.51% 72144 3955.50 { AA }
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martindcx1e
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Edited cuz I'm dumb.
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microgrinder
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
ok well micro we have to fold with the range that you made up. it's $12.30 to win $20.70 so 71 times we lose $12.30 which totals $873.30 and 29 times we win $20.70 which totals $600.30. 600.3 - 873.3 = -273 so that is -EV.
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IMO we only have 6.1$ behind.
Wait.... did I just advocate snap calling and you came back to dispute why we have to call? I iz confused 
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martindcx1e
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sorry for confusion. i was advocating a call but with a wider range, but messed up stack sizes. it's break-even with your range, which is too tight so this is a call.
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microgrinder
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
sorry for confusion. i was advocating a call but with a wider range. if you use your range then it's a fold. we have 6 behind so it's 6 to win 12 basically right? so with your range it's 70 x -6 = -420 and 30 x 12 = +360 which is -EV.
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Oh I was just giving the absolute worst possible range, it's not a realistic range. I think I worked it out that we need 29-30% to call or something with the pot odds given, so its pretty much a wash vs the absolute worst of the worst ranges and therefore is a very easy call.
Sorry, for my post was sort of confusing. The range you gave is more accurate to what he holds.
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big pot and nine outs against 2p
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You're potstuck.
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check flop
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Robb
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I wanted to see the turn 'cuz I have 9 solid outs (2 Aces, 4 Tens and 3 of whatever KQJ he doesn't have making his 2 pair), maybe more. So the bet on the flop was a blocking bet.
Not saying it was the right thing to do...
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martindcx1e
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by microgrinder
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
sorry for confusion. i was advocating a call but with a wider range. if you use your range then it's a fold. we have 6 behind so it's 6 to win 12 basically right? so with your range it's 70 x -6 = -420 and 30 x 12 = +360 which is -EV.
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Oh I was just giving the absolute worst possible range, it's not a realistic range. I think I worked it out that we need 29-30% to call or something with the pot odds given, so its pretty much a wash vs the absolute worst of the worst ranges and therefore is a very easy call.
Sorry, for my post was sort of confusing. The range you gave is more accurate to what he holds. |
ya your range was fine just to show that it's not even an -EV call given the worst possible range. good work. disregard my calcs. i was stupid yesterday 
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ZwiFT
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This is a easy snap call
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