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Robert
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05-12-2006, 10:49 AM
Post subject: Nl 100: QQ against prf reraise
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Opp is tagg, probably a multitabler. How do I play this? Fold the turn? Or should I just fold the flop to begin with?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
CO ($18.29)
Button ($208.64)
SB ($144.22)
BB ($102.50)
UTG ($92)
Hero ($101.63)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Q , Q . SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, SB (poster) raises to $9.5, 1 fold, Hero calls $6.
Flop: ($21) 7 , 3 , J (2 players)
SB bets $25, Hero calls $25.
Turn: ($71) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $30, Hero calls $66.63 (All-In), SB calls $36.63.
River: ($204.26) T (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $204.26
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Cocco_Bill
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If he really is a TAG who will re-raise with a very tight range of hands, then you should fold the flop to that bet. You only beat a bluff or AK, AQ taking a stab at the pot.
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Robert
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I called the flop bet in position thinking that it could be AK or AQ cbetting (I found his flopoverbet to be very weird, I think that was partly why I called). When he bet less than ½ pot on the turn I figured this was a pussy trying to fire a weak 2nd barrel, and I raise allin to prevent him from getting a free K or A on the river. Is this thinking flawed?
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Cocco_Bill
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Originally Posted by Robert
I called the flop bet in position thinking that it could be AK or AQ cbetting (I found his flopoverbet to be very weird, I think that was partly why I called). When he bet less than ½ pot on the turn I figured this was a pussy trying to fire a weak 2nd barrel, and I raise allin to prevent him from getting a free K or A on the river. Is this thinking flawed?
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If I have AK or AQ and fire a strong c-bet on that flop I am 100% shutting down on the turn. Its far too likely that my opponent is willing to play for stacks at that point.
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r8ed
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Overpairs have killed me lately. I conveniently put them on hands that I can beat to justify not laying them down. I plan to go through PT and take all the times I face large bets when I hold overs and see what percentage of the time I am ahead at that point in the hand. My hunch is I'm behind 60% of the time or more regardless of the opponent. I tend to just hand money to short stacks in these cases.
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biondino
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I like how you played this - it reeks of AK to me. BUt I assume it was either JJ or KK-AA?
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r8ed
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Actually what I said isn't directly related to this hand. His turn bet sucks - it would be different if he bet 3/4+. Pushing over is probably the best move.
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scott72703
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Well, from the looks of it, i believe it to be a reraise AK/Abig. He raises reraises OOP, then bets it very hard. Your decision should be almost totally based on your observations on his style. I doubt any experienced player would bet a great hand that hard.
If you're unsure about your status, u should reraise that 25 dollar bet not reraising ai on the tur. Yeah this shouldn't be to hard of a decision.
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aislephive
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Originally Posted by scott72703
Well, from the looks of it, i believe it to be a reraise AK/Abig. He raises reraises OOP, then bets it very hard. Your decision should be almost totally based on your observations on his style. I doubt any experienced player would bet a great hand that hard.
If you're unsure about your status, u should reraise that 25 dollar bet not reraising ai on the tur. Yeah this shouldn't be to hard of a decision.
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Nah I like his line. Call him once and if Villain comes out firing strongly on the turn just muck. His bet was weakish so a push is ok here.
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drmcboy
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tough but fold turn I think.
how is the turn bet weak? It's half hero's stack and the board is non spooky. Looks more to me like he wants to make sure we play.
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aislephive
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
tough but fold turn I think.
how is the turn bet weak? It's half hero's stack and the board is non spooky. Looks more to me like he wants to make sure we play.
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Looks like he wanted to make sure we played by overbetting the flop right? His turn bet in relation to his flop bet is very weak and could be a wide range of hands other than AA/KK.
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donnybaker
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
tough but fold turn I think.
how is the turn bet weak? It's half hero's stack and the board is non spooky. Looks more to me like he wants to make sure we play.
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agreed.
I like a half stack bet on the turn to commit opps to the hand. Against a typical opp, I'd expect to see AA/KK here. QQ/JJ might play this way too, but it really seems like typical opps don't rr anything but AA/KK. If it's AK it's a terrible line.
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