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| Chopper |
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sorry for the lack of converter. this is a friend's hand he emailed to me and the converters wouldn't support the format. villain is a 28/17 over small sample. please give honest feedback on hero's line vs villains suspected range. Table 'Roehla' 6-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: mdford ($32.75 in chips) Seat 3: apacz ($39.20 in chips) Seat 4: RX8TGREY ($22.85 in chips) Seat 5: HERO ($40.85 in chips) Seat 6: I2ainyDay ($26 in chips) I2ainyDay: posts small blind $0.10 mdford: posts big blind $0.25 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to HERO [3d 3h] apacz: folds RX8TGREY: folds HERO: raises $0.50 to $0.75 I2ainyDay: folds mdford: calls $0.50 *** FLOP *** [4c 2h 7s] mdford: checks HERO: bets $1.25 mdford: calls $1.25 *** TURN *** [4c 2h 7s] [3c] mdford: checks HERO: bets $2.25 mdford: raises $5.25 to $7.50 HERO: calls $5.25 *** RIVER *** [4c 2h 7s 3c] [Qs] mdford: bets $23.25 and is all-in HERO said, "nh" HERO: folds Uncalled bet ($23.25) returned to mdford mdford collected $18.20 from pot |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece! 
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| meeloche |
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| I would never fold the river here there's 2 straights out there and both were gutshots on the flop. The line is fine. | |||
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| ATOTHEC101 |
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| I think this is a fold. Only beat 22 that takes this line for value. | |||
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"This sure beats Super Mario Bros.!" is my ejaculation catch phrase.
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| Ravageur |
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| 56 which is the nuts was an open ender on the flop...i think folding here is fine at these stakes. | |||
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Family Cruise IMO
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| griffey24 |
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If I'm playing good, this river is a fold. |
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| Chopper |
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| i am amazed you guys are saying this is a fold. you dont see 88-TT turning himself into a bluff often with his metrics? | |||
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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| Galapogos |
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| Chopper |
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you guys play more NL than i do, and higher as well. i guess i stand corrected. thank you. so, if we had more of our stack in the middle, we dont get away? |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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| Marshall28 |
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| Bet bigger on turn !!!!! River becomes an easier fold if turn bet was bigger. | |||
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| Silly String |
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If Chopper gave the original stats read correctly then I think it's a lot closer. His stats were 22/18/2, not 28/17 as posted above. I don't see enough 65s or A5s in his range to warrant a fold with a 4% flatting range. Also our image is tight, like 18/16 A2S of 25-30ish. The villain's line does say "I have the nuts!" though. Does that change anyone's opinion?? |
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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| Chopper |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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| Chopper |
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hand 2..i just dont see this as being a good "habit" to get into, but my friend thinks he makes great laydowns. btw, he said villain showed him AJ in the first one..... OH:PokerStars Game #35197228519: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2009/11/10 22:45:47 CT [2009/11/10 23:45:47 ET] Table 'Eduarda III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: WeeBey11 ($41.95 in chips) Seat 2: uemurdah ($3.85 in chips) Seat 3: Corbaz ($19.55 in chips) - ULTRA NIT Seat 4: Dankgrundle ($24.50 in chips) Seat 5: Jo's Game ($11.30 in chips) Seat 6: HERO ($24.95 in chips) HERO: posts small blind $0.10 WeeBey11: posts big blind $0.25 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to HERO [2s 2h] uemurdah: calls $0.25 Corbaz: calls $0.25 Dankgrundle: folds Jo's Game: folds HERO: calls $0.15 WeeBey11: checks *** FLOP *** [3s 8h 2d] HERO: checks WeeBey11: checks uemurdah: bets $0.25 Corbaz: calls $0.25 - Smooth calls on a dry flop! HERO: raises $0.75 to $1 WeeBey11: folds uemurdah: calls $0.75 Corbaz: raises $2.75 to $3.75 - Uhh Ohhh! HERO: folds uemurdah: calls $2.60 and is all-in Uncalled bet ($0.15) returned to Corbaz *** TURN *** [3s 8h 2d] [9h] *** RIVER *** [3s 8h 2d 9h] [5c] *** SHOW DOWN *** |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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| kmind |
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| I mean what does "Ultra Nit" really say? Is he capable of limping big pocket pairs? Is he nitty postflop (probably)? The first one looks like a fold and the second one I guess call the last raise but I'd really like to know more reads. | |||
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| Da GOAT |
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| friend in hand 2 is a spa | |||
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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| Chopper |
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these are the reads i got in his email. sorry i cant provide more. but, yes, nit means post flop, usually, with us and/or interchangable with "rock." goat, what does spa stand for? i havent seen that yet. |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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| Chopper |
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here is another classic fold from him. i am trying to convince him he is a nit. you guys seem to be supporting his side, though, so i am now trying to learn from what you are saying. can you ever fold THIS??? the read i got was villain was 24/20 over 75 hands, and that doesnt do much for me. PokerStars Game #35198009485: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2009/11/10 23:20:36 CT [2009/11/11 0:20:36 ET] Table 'Modestia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: abiPur ($6.35 in chips) Seat 3: Shtonk ($25.60 in chips) Seat 4: Murillo_As ($15.95 in chips) Seat 5: rnningfool ($48.85 in chips) Seat 6: HERO ($24.95 in chips) Murillo_As: posts small blind $0.10 rnningfool: posts big blind $0.25 HooCane: sits out *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to HERO [Qs Qh] HERO: raises $0.75 to $1 abiPur: folds Shtonk: calls $1 Murillo_As: folds rnningfool: folds *** FLOP *** [9h Jc Td] HERO: bets $1.75 Shtonk: raises $2.25 to $4 HERO: folds Uncalled bet ($2.25) returned to Shtonk Shtonk collected $5.60 from pot Shtonk: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $5.85 | Rake $0.25 Board [9h Jc Td] Seat 1: abiPur folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Shtonk (button) collected ($5.60) Seat 4: Murillo_As (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 5: rnningfool (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 6: HERO folded on the Flop i cant fold an overpair + OESD on the flop. if i think i have FE, i shove over. if i think i dont, i at least call here.....i could be ahead and cant be behind by too much with 8 outs. i suppose my 3rd Q could cooler the hell out of me, but there is a redraw there if it hits the turn. |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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| griffey24 |
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222 hand - I'm not folding this. Am I supposed to believe that villain is over-limping 88 here? no probably not, sure we're only losing to 333. Def. not folding t hat. QQ hand is closer, since we block a lot of his pairs +OESDs that might be doing this. I probably usually end up jamming this though. |
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| bode |
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| wow that QQ hand is nitty as hell. | |||
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| IowaSkinsFan |
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| Folding any of these hands is terrible. In the QQ hand you wouldn't want to fold even if you were behind 100% of the time. | |||
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| surviva316 |
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| might i suggest building SOME KIND OF READS before making sick folds and proclaiming yourself the king of hand reading?! | |||
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| TonyB73 |
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OMG I am NEVER folding that QQ hand. And I would need really strong reads to even think about folding the 22 hand. |
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| Kiriath |
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id have to go all the way with all 3 hands, at these stakes ppl do stupid shit all the time. only time I fold this type of hands, is when I have a read, over several K hands with villian, that hes a huge nit that never bluffs. |
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| meeloche |
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| Explain to him that even if villain has a set 100% of the time (impossible btw) he still will win the pot 32% of the time... | |||
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| Chopper |
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he says, "well, it wasnt a real big pot and i felt i could cut my losses." I about went nuts! for natural nits like him and me, i told him that big combo draws, especially those that are already likely ahead, you have to play those hard. real hard. stacking off on flops is kind of the goal because you have all your outs backing you up, and are likely ahead anyway. he said, "it adds to my variance." i told him that poker may not be his game then...lol. very frustrating. thing is, he wins. he runs about a 6.33/100 (ptbb) over 25k hands at 25NL. |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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| surviva316 |
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| baudib |
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| I find it hard to believe anyone is that nitty. | |||
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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| Da GOAT |
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| 12/9 christ, they still exist??? poker must be so boring | |||
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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| Chopper |
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@surviva, i understand the restaurant job comment, but you cant assume everyone wants to be a pro poker player, either. neither he or i do. we just want to play and beat the game in our free time. if its 10NL, fine. if its 500NL, fine. it doesnt matter all that much to us.....hmmm, which is why we are still microplayers. we arent going to put in the work to improve as fast as an aspiring pro will/should. |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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