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Old 08-06-2008, 09:59 AM     Post subject: Nits (lc) #1 (permalink)  
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Stacks:
UTG ($199.00)
UTG+1 ($226.40)
CO ($285.45)
BTN ($187.20)
Hero ($192.70)
BB ($200.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is SB
4 folds, Hero raises to $6, BB calls $4

Flop: ($12, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($12, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($12, 2 players)
Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

Final Pot: $28
Hero shows:
BB shows:

Hero wins $26.65 ( won +$12.65 )
BB lost -$14.00
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Old 08-06-2008, 11:11 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 08-06-2008, 12:47 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 i can see checking the flop sometimes, but why check the turn?
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Old 08-06-2008, 01:04 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 08-06-2008, 02:11 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Why lack of turn bet? Nit vs nit check/check violence lol
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Why lack of turn bet?
Hands that a nit will call a turn bet with: anything with an ace (split pot), sets (and then just for the 'house draw, and there's no way he has a set anyway), and that's it. Much better to check and get the disbelief call on the river. He'd fold all of his one and two pairs, more than likely, to any decent-sized turn bet; but he would call with some of them on the river after a turn check/check.
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Old 08-06-2008, 04:52 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I figure that after his flop check his range is like 88-22 and perhaps some non-broadway SCs. So it's either bet to induce or check to induce. No way I thought he was ghey enough to check KQ behind on the flop.
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No way I thought he was ghey enough to check KQ behind on the flop.
He was scared shitless of your flop open-check, he put you on JJ-KK/AT.
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He was scared shitless of your flop open-check, he put you on JJ-KK/AT.
More likely he put me on air.
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 this guy isnt a nit hes just super trixsky and you guys cant appreciate it.
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:29 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 u guys both played it fine imo
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 08-06-2008, 06:46 PM #12 (permalink)  
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u guys both played it fine imo
wat?
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Old 08-06-2008, 10:38 PM #13 (permalink)  
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u guys both played it fine imo
wat?
rly?

flop : how many hands is he calling with that you are crushing?

Not many. So from your perspective, checking is fine since you're hard-pressed to call a raise and even if he calls, you'll be oop in a pot where lots of cards help him and pretty much none (except Tx) help you.

From his perspective, your hand looks like a very weak hand that's either gonna fold (88ish) or a hand that he can likely get 1 street of value out of (J8, AJ... but you'd probably bet all of the Ax where X is a pair).

So he can either underrep his hand and hope you call his "bluff" on the turn or riv or just blow you off your hand right now

On the turn, it's unlikely you're ever getting 2 streets of value. I agree that it looks bluffier to come out and bet the turn because of the implied threat of 2-barreling the riv, but do you really expect him to call you down on 2 streets without an ace?

From his perspective, what hands are you calling with on the turn that he can extract from on the riv? Also, if you have an ace, why not check behind and fill up?

Riv is played fine both ways imo
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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