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Old 01-13-2007, 04:51 PM     Post subject: Nit vs Nit. #1 (permalink)  
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reraiser Angel is 14/10 nit. I mean he either has AA,KK(Not all the time) ,QQ,77, or 66, other opp is super loose not too worried about him.

PokerStars Game #7914937890: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/13 - 12:44:43 (ET)
Table 'Korczak II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: wegstockboy ($168 in chips)
Seat 2: moondream ($69.25 in chips)
Seat 4: redgrape ($232.05 in chips)
Seat 6: AngeL_fH ($114.10 in chips)
moondream: posts small blind $0.50
redgrape: posts big blind $1
virtualelvis: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Ac Ah]
AngeL_fH: raises $3 to $4
wegstockboy: folds
moondream: calls $3.50
redgrape: raises $11 to $15
AngeL_fH: calls $11
moondream: calls $11
*** FLOP *** [Qh 7c 6d]
moondream: checks
redgrape: bets $30
AngeL_fH: raises $69.10 to $99.10 and is all-in
moondream: calls $54.25 and is all-in
redgrape: needs to call 70 into a 220 pot?
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Old 01-13-2007, 07:27 PM #2 (permalink)  
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As you described it, it's a clear fold assuming you don't 3-bet (or hvaen't been) 3-betting light (and the table hasn't been either).
He can/will put you on a very narrow range of QQ+/AK. So he can safely beat that range. He could also have 67s.
Also, you can't eliminate the other caller. He could have been willing to c/r himself, but didn't get the chance.
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Old 01-13-2007, 08:11 PM #3 (permalink)  
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You are the only person who reraised this hand.

i'm guessing you're refering to Angel as the NIT, and i call. I think that the fact this is 4-handed also makes a call better.
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Old 01-13-2007, 09:46 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Sorry I left this out pretty important he insta pushes.
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Old 01-13-2007, 09:54 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Being somewhat nittish myself I'd play it exactly the way he did too with any of the hands that beat you.

Fold.
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Old 01-15-2007, 09:19 PM #6 (permalink)  
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easiest fold of AA ever unless you have a craaaazy image
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 01-15-2007, 11:19 PM #7 (permalink)  
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unfortunately the post flop reraiser had the bottom end of his range KK and the passive gy had Q4 and I would've held up.
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Old 01-16-2007, 12:06 AM #8 (permalink)  
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i dont think ive ever folded aa in a reraised pot
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Old 01-16-2007, 12:27 AM #9 (permalink)  
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like 45bb went in preflop and there's about 100 effective left on the flop please for the love of god tell me you didn't fold this
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Old 01-16-2007, 01:17 AM #10 (permalink)  
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i dont think ive ever folded aa in a reraised pot
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like 45bb went in preflop and there's about 100 effective left on the flop please for the love of god tell me you didn't fold this
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Old 01-16-2007, 02:12 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Building big pots with strong hands just for the sake of making a "good laydown" when facing a 1/3 pot raise is a pretty bad idea. I think this is an easy call.

I consider two aces to be the nuts in situations like this.
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Old 01-16-2007, 04:38 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Building big pots with strong hands just for the sake of making a "good laydown" when facing a 1/3 pot raise is a pretty bad idea. I think this is an easy call.

I consider two aces to be the nuts in situations like this.
I didn't make a plan to lay this down after the pot, I wanted to get it all in, but with so much action I felt like I'm beat a lot. I felt I should've called also.

I appreciate the pot is to big responses but I'm wondering what exactly you put Angel on when he reraises me that I'm beating besides KK. He doesn't push AQ in this situation, I saw a hand in similar circumstances.
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Old 01-16-2007, 02:17 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Haha Iowa mentions the (unfortunate result) and suddenly the FTR ballas pop up saying "worst fold ever"
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Old 01-16-2007, 03:29 PM #14 (permalink)  
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yea people mention results too fast. whats the point of including them anyway??
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Old 01-16-2007, 05:50 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Board: Qh 7c 6d

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.519% 54.39% 03.13% 51696 2970.00 { QQ+, 77-66 }
Hand 1: 42.481% 39.36% 03.13% 37404 2970.00 { AA }

Well that was a surprise I'd have never have guessed we had over 40% equity in that hand given that range.

Did I do something wrong in pokerstove? Or is the potential to dominate KK really worth so much? Perhaps, because it has the most combos?
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Old 01-18-2007, 08:23 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Board: Qh 7c 6d

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.519% 54.39% 03.13% 51696 2970.00 { QQ+, 77-66 }
Hand 1: 42.481% 39.36% 03.13% 37404 2970.00 { AA }

Well that was a surprise I'd have never have guessed we had over 40% equity in that hand given that range.

Did I do something wrong in pokerstove? Or is the potential to dominate KK really worth so much? Perhaps, because it has the most combos?
yea, KK makes up almost half that range
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