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Old 08-13-2008, 12:25 AM     Post subject: ni han? #1 (permalink)  
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villain is 22/16/inf over 30 hands, im running 26/23/inf over the same.
ive 3bet 3 other times but havent shown anything down yet.

my questions. do i always want to bet the flop in a 3bet pot OOP when i have a peice? what about in position? ive been messing around with firing the turn smaller recently instead of shoving, is this as good a turn card as any to do this, or is this spew?


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Button ($98.60)
Hero ($58.30)
BB ($40.40)
UTG ($64.85)
MP ($50)
CO ($75.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 7.
2 folds, CO raises to $1.5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5.5, 1 fold, CO calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) J, Q, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, CO calls $8.

Turn: ($27.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $15
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Old 08-13-2008, 12:43 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Flop is std. On turn I prefer a c/bomb. Betting sucks because you'll be getting almost 3:1 on a shove when you're no worse than a 2.5:1 dog. Checking will very often get you a free card and your outs are non-obvious.
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Basically what Zook said. C/shoving the turn would be my line as well.
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i dont really like the flop cbet. i mean that hits villains calling range fairly hard right?

zook, question about c/bombing. dont you think that if villain bets there is a huge chance he will call a jam? thus we have very little FE?
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Old 08-13-2008, 03:54 AM #5 (permalink)  
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zook, question about c/bombing. dont you think that if villain bets there is a huge chance he will call a jam? thus we have very little FE?
I agree that a c/r has very little fold equity but getting it in on this turn is ok against his range so if it has even a little (if he bet/folds AJ or AQ ever) it's good. But I think you're getting a free card most of the time.
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:16 AM #7 (permalink)  
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zook, question about c/bombing. dont you think that if villain bets there is a huge chance he will call a jam? thus we have very little FE?
I agree that a c/r has very little fold equity but getting it in on this turn is ok against his range so if it has even a little (if he bet/folds AJ or AQ ever) it's good. But I think you're getting a free card most of the time.
i really thought about c/jam at the time but figured my FE was much higher double barrelling here and that if he bets hes priced in with pretty much anything. I guess i am priced in if i get shoved on, which i considered, but i agree that it gets checked through here alot. My justification to myself during the hand for betting was that im happy taking it down here so i dont have to show this down.
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Your FE with c/jam doesn't have to be as high as it would be with double barreling to still be more profitable.
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If this was just a raised pot, I like barelling here quite a bit. But since its a 3-bet pot,I think there's a much better chance we might get jammed on this turn, so I agree with zook that a check is decent.

If the turn gets checked through, I might even bluff the river if we miss as I think lots of J's are even in his range, and I'm not convinced he's that strong.

Betting river is player dependent though.
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