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Old 04-09-2007, 06:55 PM     Post subject: My Passive lines... #1 (permalink)  
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All hands are against DF_Newb who runs 14/11/2. I think he is definitely nitty, and I can never understand why his AF is so low playing so few hands.

Hand 1:

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SB ($28.90)
BB ($215.45)
Hero ($398.30)
MP ($206.40)
Button ($322.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A.
Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, SB calls $7, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($24) 3, Q, 5 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $18, SB folds, BB calls $18.

Turn: ($60) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $45, BB calls $45.

River: ($150) K (2 players)
BB bets $144.45 (All-In), Hero ???


Hand 2:
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UTG ($50)
MP ($457.55)
Hero ($235.95)
SB ($198)
BB ($263.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 8.
UTG calls $2, MP raises to $10, Hero calls $10, 1 fold, BB calls $8, UTG folds.

Flop: ($34) 4, 4, 8 (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $22, Hero calls $22, BB folds.

Turn: ($78) Q (2 players)
MP bets $42, Hero calls $42.

River: ($162) K (2 players)
MP bets $126, Hero calls $126.

Final Pot: $414

Results in white below:
MP has Td Ks (two pair, kings and fours).
Hero has Kh 8h (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $414.

Hand 3:
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UTG ($185.15)
MP ($245.15)
Hero ($448.45)
Button ($397.40)
SB ($196)
BB ($288.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2, 2.
1 fold, MP raises to $7, Hero calls $7, 3 folds.

Flop: ($17) 7, 2, K (2 players)
MP bets $12, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($41) J (2 players)
MP bets $32, Hero calls $32.

River: ($105) 7 (2 players)
MP bets $194.15 (All-In), Hero calls $194.15.

Final Pot: $493.30

Results in white below:
MP has Ad Qs (one pair, sevens).
Hero has 2s 2d (full house, twos full of sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins $493.30.

I am showing results on hand 2 & 3 because I don't understand his lines here at all. I have never given him a reason to think he can 3 barrel like this. I think in both hands he is only getting called by better hands. In hand 2 I thought he had AK and maybe AA. Anyway WTF is he doing? And is it obvious he has some read or is he just tilting?
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Old 04-09-2007, 07:46 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: Fold
Hand 2: Makes sense to me, you can't fold because there are bluffs and stuff like AK and KJ in his range.
Hand 3: If this guy is threebarreling this much i like taking passive lines.
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:00 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Yeah, i agree that hand 1 is a fold. It looks exactly like KQ, although that's not the only hand he could have obviously. But the bet in general looks like a "I have a great hand and i don't want to miss value by checking the river because you could easily check behind."
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:21 PM     Post subject: Re: My Passive lines... #4 (permalink)  
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Anyway WTF is he doing? And is it obvious he has some read or is he just tilting?
I find lots of players like to make big plays without a proper read. Maybe you just caught him in a couple rare occasions where he's trying to use his image?


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Old 04-09-2007, 09:24 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 1) Def. looks like KQ Anyways, foooold! Unless he's always taking lines like in 2) and 3)?
2)Easiest of all three- you gotta call, only AA beats you
3)
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Hand 3: If this guy is threebarreling this much i like taking passive lines.
Edit: not sure about the turn call in 2)
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Old 04-11-2007, 12:35 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 is an ez fold

Hand 2 is close (btw if villain isn't super aggro there's little value playing a crappy hand vs him, even in position) but I usually lean towards calling. I'd expect to see AA a decent amount of the time though.

Hand 3 is better to raise flop since AK, AA, sometimes even KQ will "gamble" with you here.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 04-11-2007, 05:15 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Hand 3 is better to raise flop since AK, AA, sometimes even KQ will "gamble" with you here.
I choose this passive line because of the previous hands. He didn't seem to be in a passive mood this day...
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Old 04-11-2007, 06:33 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Hand 1- Easy fold, he has KQ here approx 99.876% of the time.

Hand 2- Easy fold PF imo, but debatable so whatever. as played river is a call, but I think turn is a fold if that makes sense.

Hand 3: Who stole ur raise button?? Raise big on flop, watch him push his AK and profit. As played raise turn. as played call river.
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Old 04-11-2007, 06:36 PM #9 (permalink)  
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also jager even if he has been "3barreling alot" you still need to make a small raise, even a mini raise on this flop because
a) he will push Kx and AA
b) he may push QQ JJ other decent one pair hands putting you on a FD
c) He may push total shit, putting you on a flush draw.

So to maximize your value against all his tendencies a smaller raise on the flop is probably best- and you need to size your raise SPECIFICALLY so that a push by him does not give you odds to call to an 8 or 9 out draw.
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Old 04-11-2007, 08:02 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I think in hands 2 and 3 his play is bad but explicable.


Flop: He c-bets 2/flush flop, you call.
He puts you on flush draw, or nothing good because if you had something good you'd raise to price out draws.

Turn: No hep. He is OOP with gutshot and 1 over. You likely (??) have bupkis (draw or weakish 1 pair hand). May as well bet 'cause we don't have any showdown value and can't call a river bet unless we hit our ~7 outs.

River:
Hand 1: Draws missed, but Oh HO! I have TP! Unless you have 2 pair/set/back door flush, what could you have? He has Ks so you can't be calling him down with KXs. Just a cooler for him because you both hit TP, but yours made 2 pair. That being said, a checkdown or check/call might have been more prudent.

Hand 2: Being OOP sucks, don't it? I think he assumes you will fold a 1-pair hand here, and a set/2p raises (like everyone told you to raise!)
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Old 04-12-2007, 03:26 PM #11 (permalink)  

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hand1- looks like kq or wierdly played set
hand2- eww fold pf
hand3- yeah its fine but std line for me is raise flop


Also including results = biased opinions. I'd reccomend waiting til after responses before you post them
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