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Old 06-12-2006, 01:25 AM     Post subject: my line sucks #1 (permalink)  
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CO ($159.60)
Hero ($272.55)
SB ($238.50)
BB ($598.23)
UTG ($141.70)
MP ($189.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG raises to $7, 1 fold, CO raises to $12, Hero calls $12, 2 folds, UTG calls $5.

Flop: ($39) 5, 6, 4 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $37.05, Hero calls $37.05, UTG calls $37.05.

Turn: ($150.15) 4 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $20, Hero calls $20, UTG raises to $90.98, CO folds, Hero calls $70.98.

River: ($352.11) T (2 players)
Hero calls $1.67.

Final Pot: $353.78
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IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?

you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....
 
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Old 06-12-2006, 02:05 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Fold the flop. As played fold to the raise on the turn, you are ahead almost never.
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Old 06-12-2006, 05:24 AM #3 (permalink)  
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so you are basicly playing for sets only? i should mention neither of these players are good. the minreraise on the flop scared me a little but his flop bet screamed please fold. then his turn bet felt like he was weak and then i flat called. when UTG pushes i felt like i had such good odds and we both had shown weakness i thought he could have been doing it on a pretty wide range.
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you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....
 
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Old 06-12-2006, 06:04 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 tough spot
3 betting preflop does nothing but get messy, saying that mucking here isnt so bad imo. If our opp is bad enough to miniraise i think hes bad enough to pay JJJ so i guess calling is appropriate.
What do you think of the miniraise? If it suggests AK then id reraise the flop folding to anything else. I think calling here is a terrible option. We put money in on no information either well ahead or well behind. I odnt like how you played this but i take your point on how UTG played it. UTG may very well turn over soething like 88-TT perhaps even QQ here.
I think the turn is UTG bluffing as his bet makes no sense unless he smells weakness
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 Damn this is a sucky spot for you. You have no clue where you stand.. and it's unlikely you're ahead but it's hard to fold anywhere along the line too..
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I probably fold the flop. At least fold the turn to a raise. I would be more inclined to call the flop if it was HU.
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villian had 33
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IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?

you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....
 
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Old 06-14-2006, 12:52 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Fold preflop, fold flop fold turn.

EDIT... ok you have implied odds to play for a set here... barely.

OR (if CO is re-raising a wider range than JJ+)

re-raise pre-flop, hand plays itself.
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Old 06-14-2006, 05:14 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Preflop - Looks alright to me if you know you're only playing for a set.
Flop - No J, you're looking to fold here unless you have a great read on your opponents betting patterns.
Turn - Fold

You're up against a set + an overpair most the time here.

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Old 06-14-2006, 07:51 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 I consider folding this preflop sometimes. You don't have anything invested at this point, and you aren't even up against full-buys.

I don't think you can call that flop bet against most players.
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Renton you bring up a valid point, but I think that they have just enough to make it worthwhile to play for a set, expecting to get their whole stack if you do hit that set.

1/8 times you hit a set right?.

12 x 8 = $96 total

The one time you hit your set, expect to get paid their stack, so in the end they are making a profit.

But if you dont think you can get their stack, a fold is not a bad option at all..

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