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Old 10-03-2007, 05:15 PM     Post subject: My 2nd foray into 1/2 #1 (permalink)  
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 I thought this was a good spot to 3-barrel. Or is this just spew? Villain is loose preflop, but a little tighter post. I'm playing LAG but only shown down goods.

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Button ($208.55)
SB ($260.10)
BB ($219)
Hero ($212.05)
MP ($100)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6, 6.
Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, Button calls $8, 2 folds.

Flop: ($19) 3, T, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $12, Button calls $12.

Turn: ($43) K (2 players)
Hero bets $28, Button calls $28.

River: ($99) Q (2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $60

Villain is loose preflop, not sure how he plays post. I felt I could get him off a higher pair or 9. Give up turn/river?

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SB ($356.15)
BB ($320.45)
Hero ($200)
MP ($198)
CO ($197)
Button ($265.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $8, 4 folds, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($17) , , (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB raises to $30, Hero raises to $84, BB calls $54.

Turn: ($185) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($185) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero?

Villain calls a lot preflop but hasn't got out of line post. Overall bad. Do you play this any different?

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SB ($198)
BB ($72)
UTG ($110.10)
MP ($227.50)
CO ($202.15)
Hero ($214)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($23) , , (2 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero raises to $40, UTG calls $30.

Turn: ($103) (2 players)
UTG bets $60.1 (All-In), Hero calls $60.10.

River: ($0) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $223.20

No reads, 2nd orbit. Easy shove?

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SB ($313.70)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($319.25)
MP ($31.80)
CO ($572.20)
Button ($289.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
2 folds, CO raises to $6, 1 fold, SB calls $5, Hero raises to $24, CO calls $18, SB calls $18.

Flop: ($72) , , (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $50, CO raises to $124, SB folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero?
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Old 10-04-2007, 07:46 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 All of these too standard (or maybe too donkish)? I'm really interested in how you all play the AK and JJ hand.
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Old 10-04-2007, 07:58 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I like the 3-barrel in Hand 1. I believe that you will get enough fold to make this profitable on this board.

The AK hand I might play the same if I am in gambling mood because opp has AT with the Ac here almost always.

The JJ hand is marginal. Its either shoving or folding. However, I think that this is QQ-AA here a lot.
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:22 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I would give up on the river in hand 1 after getting called twice.

2nd hand is ridiculous spew. I would just call his check-raise and reevaluate on the turn, or simply fold if he is straightforward. Merely calling in this spot actually looks more intimidating than reraising. Letting him keep the lead forces him to better define his hand at less cost to you.

A line that works surprisingly well against people that donk into you like this (particularly bad players) is to just call their flop bet and then raise the turn. It has some tactical advantages over raising the flop but also is a classic case of passing up a small edge in favor of pushing a larger one later.

The J-J hand is an incredibly thin push. I am much more inclined to fold here. What are you hoping he has?
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:56 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 I love, the Q was a perfect card to bluff

Hand 2... ummm give up flop

Hand 3 fine

Hand 4 you've done great now shove.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:21 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Is it common at this level for a villain to play QQ-AA like this in hand 4? I would think KK and AA would definitely reraise pre to isolate.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:29 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Is it common at this level for a villain to play QQ-AA like this in hand 4? I would think KK and AA would definitely reraise pre to isolate.
If I'm in position I sometimes call a 3-bet with AA/KK and play it fast on a dry board.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:47 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 I love, the Q was a perfect card to bluff

Hand 2... ummm give up flop

Hand 3 fine
I initially didn't like betting at all on the flop in hand 4, but with two players in the hand and numerous bad turn cards we are letting our opponents with weak draws see the turn for free. I may just turn my hand into a bluff here and bet/fold the flop, since you are almost always either slight ahead/way behind.

With Q-Q i would probably bet/call the flop, because now there are two likely underpairs that might play the same way, and one less overpair.
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:55 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I like hand 1 a lot, villain has a bare 10 here lots and will fold. I like to overbet in these spots if i'm going to 3-barrel as i do this with the nuts as well.

Hand 2 I like just calling the reraise if we intend to continue with the hand (isn't that what we'd do if we had 99 or an 8 or an overpair?) and then raise his turn bet or just bet the turn strong if checked to.

Hand 3 is ok I guess but I just call his donk lead and then value bet if checked to/call him down on non club turns etc...

Hand 4 I think this is a fold, I can't think of anything we're ahead of unless villain got his stack gambling excessively. Sucks that we've committed so much, but I think you have to bet this flop.
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:04 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:10 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Hey Trip,
I was on Prima yesterday yeah but I usually play with miniview and no chat so if someone was talking smack I missed out on it . Though today I berated someone like an idiot.

Keeps the grind a bit more interesting. Were you on one of my tables? (sorry for the hijack!!)
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:12 AM #12 (permalink)  
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btw I don't think stacking off with JJ is very bad either after seeing what kind of odds we're getting.
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:14 AM #13 (permalink)  
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- lolzzz123 sitting in seat 1 with $459.42
- bears09 sitting in seat 2 with $161.43
- yesz sitting in seat 3 with $99.90
- MrDandy sitting in seat 5 with $118.23 [Dealer]
- Ravageur sitting in seat 6 with $106.46

Ravageur posted the small blind - $0.50
lolzzz123 posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to lolzzz123: 5 of Diamonds, 6 of Hearts
bears09 folded
yesz folded
MrDandy folded
Ravageur raised - $3.50
lolzzz123 called - $3.50

** Dealing the flop: 5 of Hearts, Jack of Diamonds, 9 of Spades
Ravageur bet - $3.50
lolzzz123 called - $3.50

** Dealing the turn: Queen of Diamonds
Ravageur checked
lolzzz123 checked

** Dealing the river: 5 of Spades
Ravageur checked
lolzzz123 bet - $8.00
Ravageur called - $8.00
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lol no idea what I had. Also dont' konw why i c-bet so small.

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Old 10-05-2007, 02:20 AM #15 (permalink)  
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 I really think folding hand 4 is a huge laydown considering preflop action (only pair we're really scared of is Q's), the fact that it's tough to flop sets and finally the fact that there are a bunch.

not to mention the price we re getting.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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ok, 44 hand sucks, and im torn in two on the 66 hand
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but im leaning towards bad
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:45 AM #18 (permalink)  
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but im leaning towards bad
I hate you. Oh yeah and I was ahead in the 44 hand. Bastard.

Edit: I find people checkraise this with a low/mid pair and air here often enough to make the flop 3-bet profitable. I play big pairs the same way.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:11 AM #19 (permalink)  
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 villain had JT in the 44 hand?
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:21 AM #20 (permalink)  
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villain had JT in the 44 hand?
He did indeed.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:32 AM #21 (permalink)  
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I hate you. Oh yeah and I was ahead in the 44 hand. Bastard.
Nope.

Did he go all in on the river in the 66 hand?
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:19 PM #22 (permalink)  
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 hand 1 - I like the triple barrel here, the turn and river were good cards

hand 2 - If you're going to play your hand like an overpair then either call the raise and shove over a turn bet. Or bet when checked to on turn. As played, I think the flop might be spew, but if you're gonna go that route I would bet the turn hard.

hand 3 - I think this is fine

hand 4 - I don't know if this is an easy shove. I can't see many hands you're ahead of. You're prob up against a FD w overs or an overpair, but the pot odds make it close here. I probably end up shoving, but I'm not so happy about it.
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:57 PM #23 (permalink)  
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I hate you. Oh yeah and I was ahead in the 44 hand. Bastard.
Nope.

Did he go all in on the river in the 66 hand?
No but he thought for 30 seconds and called with (guess). I still like my bets though.
Oh and on the JJ hand I also have no idea what I'm beating but of course I'm a donk and pushed anyway.
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Hand 4 I am figuring I am up against AA or KK scared to death of the flush draw. Am I the only one? They are scared of an AKs, AQs, KQs, etc...
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Hand 1 As I said before, villain had J10 and made a hero call on the river but I still think it was a good play.

Hand 2 Villain had J10 and contrary to every post on this board, I feel the flop is a profitable play that gets a huge range to fold and should be used against solids very often. Thoughts/examples of this? Too bad I learned later this guy was a huge donk. I still wonder what would have happened if I pushed turn.

Hand 3 Villain had K5 suited. Not raising the flop I feel is too weak and gives the dreaded free card. Calling turn is meh/standard.

Hand 4 I shoved and he showed KK. Well played by him I guess I need to fold more often.
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