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Old 03-09-2007, 08:02 AM     Post subject: My 1st Tough Spot Live #1 (permalink)  
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 FTR Member andyakb is up visiting Ravageur and I in Montreal. We've got a pretty live 8-man table running at 1/2 in an underground cardroom (sorry not Short-Handed but fk it).

FTR member Alexos is also at the table and has gotten sucked out on over and over . The 4 non-FTR players are all terrible for a variety of reasons.

Anyways, on to the hand. Buy in is 200 and I'm sitting with about 650$ and villain (to my right) has about 500$ so we're pretty deep.

Folded to villain in CO who minraises. From what I've seen, he's a pretty bad nit (plays tight but can't fold a made hand regardless of action).

I have



and I repop him to 16$.

He calls and says pretty loudly "If I hit my hand I can bust you". My image at this point is pretty straightforward. I've shown down some big folds (that were all correct) and have played pretty ABC so far. I doubled through with the nuts vs a donk and have won my share of medium-sized pots.

This is the 1st time I've 3-bet preflop and I'm pretty sure villain puts me on a big hand.

Flop comes



Villain checks and I pot it.

Villain insta-minraises and says "please go all-in. I hope you shove".

At this point, pot is about 120-ish. Effective remaining stacks are about 450ish.

What is my next move?
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 03-09-2007, 08:08 AM #2 (permalink)  
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LOL the EXACT same hand came up for me vs a nit playin 200 nl awhile ago. There was one straight on the board and I flopped top two, shoved over his minraise and was crushed.

I think he has TT or 77 here A LOT. that being said you have 4 outs to stack him most of the time and his raise is giving you very good odds given the stack sizes to call, and you are likely to get paid off, because your hand is misrepresented because of preflop.

That being said you are still good here a good amount of the time, but I think a raise enables him to play perfectly. So call flop and play for pot control the rest of the hand. Remember that against a nit any bet gives away a lot of information, and also if a straight or flush cards hits he is likely to freeze up and scurry to showdown. Depending on turn maybe you can sneak a value bet in on the river, idk. I would tread carefully here. Sauce.
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"God damn tightest guy at the table and I can't even get him to fold. Well you caught me bluffing this time."

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Edit: WHAT THE FUCK WOULD POSSESS YOU TO EVER SHOW A LAYDOWN AT THIS TABLE. YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF. *end rant*
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"God damn tightest guy at the table and I can't even get him to fold. Well you caught me bluffing this time."

Fold

Edit: WHAT THE FUCK WOULD POSSESS YOU TO EVER SHOW A LAYDOWN AT THIS TABLE. YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF. *end rant*
lol no
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
"If I hit my hand I can bust you".
He's telling the truth here for lots of fucked up reasons.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Genitruc
"please go all-in. I hope you shove"
This is a lot harder to read. He sure is excited about something.

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I think he has TT or 77 here A LOT.
That puts you on 3 outs if he's got it. Unless you start putting stuff like T7 in his range. How tight is he pre-flop? Also, he's acting big, so we must consider a bluff.

I hate calling, I hate re-raising, I see no reason to gamb00l here. Fold.
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 I called the minraise

Turn is Ks. He checks I pot his insta-folds 7d10d faceup and berates me saying "omg you could have had ALLLLL MY MONEY ON THE FLOP!!! I'M SO LUCKY WHEEEEEE!!!"

Lol. I was kind of hammered when I got home and posted this thinking it was a sick hand or something.

My bad. It's actually not that interesting. I guess it's just that live hands seem so... hmm thinking of right word...

"Terminal"? (I think that works)...

I just happened to be in a situation where I was up against the absolute bottom of his range. Shoving would have been a mistake vs this range (obv 8c9c, 777 and 101010... and, umm... 7 10 lol).

If the turn had blanked and he had fired I prob would have called and then thought hard about folding to a river shove... Meh.

Btw Fnord didn't mean to be a prick ("lol no" reply) I just figured anything I gave these players was more useful to me than to them (levelling, adjusting to their adjusting etc.) and - more importantly - made the game so much fun to play.

Btw this is first time I've played against good live players (the 4 FTR ppl who all play nl400+).

So. Much. Fun.
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 The thing is, he started talking before the hand. It isn't like he knew what was coming on the flop, And people usually don't say that with TT. So i'd say he has 77, T7, or K7 more often.
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