Multiway pots still confuse me

05-18-2009 06:16 AM

UTG player is a fish with 52/15 stats so I wasn't really sure what kind of hands he opens, if he's positionally aware 3bing is kind of bad
BB is a reg

I can't really pokerstove this because there are different stack sizes
that said, I probably don't want to get this in
should I be folding to the minraise? looks like he has me crushed and wants me to put in additional money bad and I'll just be spewing between two people with better equity
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($103.50)
SB ($116.90)
BB ($179.80)
UTG ($35.50)
MP ($176.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, Q

UTG bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($8) 8

, Q

, J

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, BB calls $9, UTG raises to $16, Hero calls $7, BB raises to $177.80 (All-In), UTG calls $17.50 (All-In), Hero folds

**minSim** · 05-18-2009 07:19 AM

I think folding to the minraise is better.

You don't like getting it in on the flop, you hate a lot of turn cards and really even on a total blank you don't like a big turn bet.

**bigspenda73** · 05-18-2009 07:28 AM

3bet and iso the fish PF

**Da GOAT** · 05-18-2009 09:25 AM

I'd still iso ore and men get it in pre too. Calling is okay. Id prob shove after fish reraises flop to iso again.

05-18-2009 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

I'd still iso ore and men get it in pre too. Calling is okay. Id prob shove after fish reraises flop to iso again.

shoving is lol bad because he has two pair+ every time after he minraises here, he just wanted to re-open the betting so one of us could shove
unless I have the read that he plays top pair like the nuts of course

**Da GOAT** · 05-18-2009 10:11 AM

Fish has 35bb so my tptk is the nuts for me.

05-18-2009 10:36 AM

there are like no ranges you can assign to the fish and the reg that would put us ahead here

**Da GOAT** · 05-18-2009 10:47 AM

Really? Reg will fold a huge amount and u think the fish is crushing me?

05-18-2009 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

Really? Reg will fold a huge amount and u think the fish is crushing me?

I think reg folds a huge amount
other than the 5% of the time when he calls and we're screwed
but getting that fold is immaterial if we only win the pot maybe 1/3 of the time against the fish

**ATOTHEC101** · 05-18-2009 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

3bet and iso the fish PF

**meeloche** · 05-19-2009 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

3bet and iso the fish PF

This and I don't think I'd raise the flop.

05-19-2009 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by meeloche

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

3bet and iso the fish PF

This and I don't think I'd raise the flop.

I was trying to play for stacks with the fish, but he let me know I was crushed

**Parasurama** · 05-19-2009 01:22 PM

Can't fold if you raise for value right iopq?

**bigspenda73** · 05-19-2009 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Parasurama

Can't fold if you raise for value right iopq?

owned

**Da GOAT** · 05-19-2009 02:17 PM

This hand tilts

05-19-2009 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Parasurama

Can't fold if you raise for value right iopq?

doesn't apply when fish min3bs you
this = always the nuts

**bigspenda73** · 05-19-2009 04:08 PM

so you were bluffing on the flop?

05-19-2009 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

so you were bluffing on the flop?

no, but his minraise should have told me he has two pair or better because he sure isn't bluffing with that bet sizing

OMGZ
POKAR RULEZ HAVE EXCEPTIONS

**bigspenda73** · 05-19-2009 04:21 PM

so you can raise for value but then fold to a re-raise?

**Da GOAT** · 05-19-2009 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

so you can raise for value but then fold to a re-raise?

i was gonna answer but i see wot u did there

**griffey24** · 05-19-2009 06:52 PM

This hand tilts me a lot. Isolate fish all day preflop. Postflop, I don't mind the flop raise given the donks bet sizing, but after you're cold called by the reg you're in all sorts of trouble. I probably raise flop harder, this isn't a board you want to be messing around with and you'd rather donk just jam. Prob make it around 12.

Flatting the fishes 3bet on flop seems ok, cause raising will get us owned by the reg a lot. Once reg comes over top, I don't see how we can continue here.

Reg can have tonssss of huge hands here, cold calling the flop raise to keep the fish in. Fold for sure.

**nutsinho** · 05-19-2009 07:03 PM

when the reg cold calls us on teh flop and the fish clicks it back, id fold faster than i fold with 72o pre

05-20-2009 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by nutsinho

when the reg cold calls us on teh flop and the fish clicks it back, id fold faster than i fold with 72o pre

this imo

05-18-2009 06:16 AM #1
Guest	Multiway pots still confuse me UTG player is a fish with 52/15 stats so I wasn't really sure what kind of hands he opens, if he's positionally aware 3bing is kind of bad BB is a reg I can't really pokerstove this because there are different stack sizes that said, I probably don't want to get this in should I be folding to the minraise? looks like he has me crushed and wants me to put in additional money bad and I'll just be spewing between two people with better equity Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com Hero (Button) ($103.50) SB ($116.90) BB ($179.80) UTG ($35.50) MP ($176.85) Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q UTG bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1 Flop: ($8) 8, Q, J (4 players) SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, BB calls $9, UTG raises to $16, Hero calls $7, BB raises to $177.80 (All-In), UTG calls $17.50 (All-In), Hero folds

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05-18-2009 07:19 AM #2
minSim View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 1,525 Location Deventer	I think folding to the minraise is better. You don't like getting it in on the flop, you hate a lot of turn cards and really even on a total blank you don't like a big turn bet.

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05-18-2009 07:28 AM #3
bigspenda73 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2006 Posts 13,432 Location Pwnsylvania	3bet and iso the fish PF

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05-18-2009 09:25 AM #4
Da GOAT View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2006 Posts 4,923 Location Dublin	I'd still iso ore and men get it in pre too. Calling is okay. Id prob shove after fish reraises flop to iso again.
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05-18-2009 09:46 AM #5
Guest	Originally Posted by Da GOAT I'd still iso ore and men get it in pre too. Calling is okay. Id prob shove after fish reraises flop to iso again. shoving is lol bad because he has two pair+ every time after he minraises here, he just wanted to re-open the betting so one of us could shove unless I have the read that he plays top pair like the nuts of course

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05-18-2009 10:11 AM #6
Da GOAT View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2006 Posts 4,923 Location Dublin	Fish has 35bb so my tptk is the nuts for me.
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05-18-2009 10:36 AM #7
Guest	there are like no ranges you can assign to the fish and the reg that would put us ahead here

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05-18-2009 10:47 AM #8
Da GOAT View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2006 Posts 4,923 Location Dublin	Really? Reg will fold a huge amount and u think the fish is crushing me?
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05-18-2009 11:58 AM #9
Guest	Originally Posted by Da GOAT Really? Reg will fold a huge amount and u think the fish is crushing me? I think reg folds a huge amount other than the 5% of the time when he calls and we're screwed but getting that fold is immaterial if we only win the pot maybe 1/3 of the time against the fish

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05-18-2009 05:27 PM #10
ATOTHEC101 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2008 Posts 1,623	Originally Posted by bigspenda73 3bet and iso the fish PF
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05-19-2009 01:02 AM #11
meeloche View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2007 Posts 3,057	Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101 Originally Posted by bigspenda73 3bet and iso the fish PF This and I don't think I'd raise the flop.

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05-19-2009 02:32 AM #12
Guest	Originally Posted by meeloche Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101 Originally Posted by bigspenda73 3bet and iso the fish PF This and I don't think I'd raise the flop. I was trying to play for stacks with the fish, but he let me know I was crushed

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05-19-2009 01:22 PM #13
Parasurama View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2008 Posts 1,054 Location DMT	Can't fold if you raise for value right iopq?

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05-19-2009 01:42 PM #14
bigspenda73 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2006 Posts 13,432 Location Pwnsylvania	Originally Posted by Parasurama Can't fold if you raise for value right iopq? owned

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05-19-2009 02:17 PM #15
Da GOAT View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2006 Posts 4,923 Location Dublin	This hand tilts
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05-19-2009 04:00 PM #16
Guest	Originally Posted by Parasurama Can't fold if you raise for value right iopq? doesn't apply when fish min3bs you this = always the nuts

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05-19-2009 04:08 PM #17
bigspenda73 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2006 Posts 13,432 Location Pwnsylvania	so you were bluffing on the flop?

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05-19-2009 04:16 PM #18
Guest	Originally Posted by bigspenda73 so you were bluffing on the flop? no, but his minraise should have told me he has two pair or better because he sure isn't bluffing with that bet sizing OMGZ POKAR RULEZ HAVE EXCEPTIONS

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05-19-2009 04:21 PM #19
bigspenda73 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2006 Posts 13,432 Location Pwnsylvania	so you can raise for value but then fold to a re-raise?

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05-19-2009 06:01 PM #20
Da GOAT View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2006 Posts 4,923 Location Dublin	Originally Posted by bigspenda73 so you can raise for value but then fold to a re-raise? i was gonna answer but i see wot u did there
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05-19-2009 06:52 PM #21
griffey24 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2006 Posts 4,931 Location Toronto'ish	This hand tilts me a lot. Isolate fish all day preflop. Postflop, I don't mind the flop raise given the donks bet sizing, but after you're cold called by the reg you're in all sorts of trouble. I probably raise flop harder, this isn't a board you want to be messing around with and you'd rather donk just jam. Prob make it around 12. Flatting the fishes 3bet on flop seems ok, cause raising will get us owned by the reg a lot. Once reg comes over top, I don't see how we can continue here. Reg can have tonssss of huge hands here, cold calling the flop raise to keep the fish in. Fold for sure.
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05-19-2009 07:03 PM #22
nutsinho View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 3,840 Location flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt	when the reg cold calls us on teh flop and the fish clicks it back, id fold faster than i fold with 72o pre
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05-20-2009 06:38 AM #23
Guest	Originally Posted by nutsinho when the reg cold calls us on teh flop and the fish clicks it back, id fold faster than i fold with 72o pre this imo

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