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donkbee

07-16-2007, 07:13 AM Post subject: MORE MORE MORE!

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1) Time to fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($17.35)
Button ($92.95)
Hero ($99)
BB ($71.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

, K

.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8) Q

, Q

, 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $7, BB raises to $14, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($36) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $16, Hero ...

2) Haven't paid much attention to him, but his stats are normal. Comments on both the turn and river?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($101.50)
Button ($103.50)
SB ($99)
BB ($91.55)
Hero ($197.20)
MP ($83)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, K

.
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 3 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) Q

, K

, 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $9, CO calls $9.

Turn: ($27.50) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $22, CO raises to $47, Hero calls $25.

River: ($121.50) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $41, Hero ...

3) I probably should have just folded the flop. But um, yeah ...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($161.40)
MP ($105.15)
CO ($58.50)
Button ($160.65)
Hero ($100)
BB ($211.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3

, A

.
2 folds, CO calls $1, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3) 8

, A

, T

(3 players)
Hero bets $3, BB raises to $10, CO folds, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($23) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $14, Hero raises to $89

4) Bet this?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($217.25)
SB ($92.90)
BB ($73.90)
UTG ($205.75)
Hero ($131.85)
CO ($245.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q

, K

.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5, CO calls $5, 3 folds, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($16.50) 5

, Q

, 3

(3 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero raises to $30, CO folds, UTG calls $20.

Turn: ($76.50) J

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $40, UTG calls $40.

River: ($156.50) K

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ...

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bode

07-16-2007, 10:42 AM

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hand 1: i hate spots like this. i probly call down assuming another <1/2 pot bet on the river.

hand 2: meh, i dont know. Turn is a gross spot and i think flat calling is the worst option. Either push or fold, but im really not sure which is best honestly.

hand3: yeah, fold flop. As played i like unless hes a complete call station.

hand 4: set of 3's or 5's? QJs? without reads i think i stick the rest in here.

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Kagey

07-16-2007, 10:53 AM

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What a nasty collection of hands.
1. I think I call down, your hand is underrepped. Not happy about it. Fold to a river push. meeuhh.

2. As played I push, get shown KQ or quads, nice line if he likes to bluff. Is he likely calling the flop with KJ, K10? no changed my mind I fold.

3. Fine, Fold flop obv.

4. If he's super passive and sees you as super-aggro I check behind.

minSim

07-16-2007, 11:41 AM

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Hand 1: You have to call, it's pretty much the consequence of your play. You really underreped your hand. I think you get called bu JJ, TT, Acxc on a flop push.

Hand 2: I c/c that turn.

Hand 3: I don't mind checking the flop tbh, because someone usually is betting it anyways.

Hand 4: I check behind because his line doesn't make any sense to me, but I don't see him calling with any hand we beat and don't want to pay off a weird set.

noble007

07-16-2007, 12:53 PM

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Hand 1. I call & fold to a 60% or more river bet.
Hand 2. I call
Hand 3. Bad for me anyways I hate shoving turns with draws.
Hand 4. Yeah I bet only scared of A10s

biondino

07-16-2007, 03:25 PM

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1. I think I am calling a turn and value betting/pushing the river. No-one but no-one minraises with a queen here - if they do have it they either slowplay, or re-raise bigger to push out the flush draw - and unless they have AA or 33 you're way ahead (of 66-TT probably).

4. Pretty much read dependent. If an aggro player plays like this I check; if it's a passive player who'd play Axs or Qx like this, I value bet and call a push. I think the only hands that beat you and check this river are 33 and 55 held by someone who's unreasonably scared of the straight possibility.

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07-16-2007, 03:34 PM

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2. Depressingly, I fold the turn. It's either that or felting one pair against someone showing classic signs of strength and without a read I can't let myself do that.

3. Yes, fold flop. Instinctively I like your turn bet, but in reflection, if he's got a good enough hand to raise the flop (and it's a proper raise, note, and he's in the BB so his hand could literally be anything), then I'm not sure he's folding on a board with only one completed draw and few obvious monster holdings - could you realistically have anything better than KT, A8 in your hand? I'm pretty sure JQ doesn't push in your spot.

andy-akb

07-16-2007, 03:41 PM

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1. Ehh, any reads? I dont really hate a call on the turn and thats probably how I would play it, but Im prob not putting any more money in on the river. The flop minraise could easily be a bluff or somebody overplaying a lower PP and then following up with a weak bet on the turn; however, this could easily be a queen and stats/reads are what would make it fairly clear what this is

2. I think you need to fold the turn here. As played, fold the river

3. Yea, you really need to fold this flop. On the turn, we do pick up a nice draw, but do you think he is folding enough here? Id say that he isnt, but again, do you have any reads?

4. This hand is pretty tought to give input on without any reads. With some players, they are only open limping small PPs, others are doing it with broadways, others with complete air. You really need to post reads with your hands, otherwise there isnt a ton we can say.

So yea, while I would say there are "standard" plays for most of these hands, to give advice about the best play you really need to post some reads, notes, stats, whatever, on these players. Otherwise its pretty tough for us to give good insight into these posts beyond a line or two.

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07-16-2007, 03:46 PM

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Hand 1: Uhhh.... what'cha know about him? Prob call this down.
Hand 2: Turn is a shove or fold for me.
Hand 3: Too much spew for a nothing pot.
Hand 4: This looks like a draw, I'd hammer the turn harder. River depends on how loose he is. I value bet loose players here and check behind on tight ones.

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07-16-2007, 04:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 4: This looks like a draw, I'd hammer the turn harder. River depends on how loose he is. I value bet loose players here and check behind on tight ones.

How could you check behind here?

gabe

07-16-2007, 04:53 PM

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1 - call, check call any river
2 - call river now that you are there, but i prob would shove turn or fold depending on dynamics
3- fold flop, check call turn
4- push

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07-16-2007, 07:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

1 - call, check call any river

Yeah, I wouldn't even think about folding this in a blind battle unless I had the greatest read ever. Sooo many players are like "OMG paired board, time to bluff!"

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07-17-2007, 12:23 AM

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07-17-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by andy-akb

So yea, while I would say there are "standard" plays for most of these hands, to give advice about the best play you really need to post some reads, notes, stats, whatever, on these players. Otherwise its pretty tough for us to give good insight into these posts beyond a line or two.

I always include any reads I have. Obviously, if I do not have reads, I don't include anything.

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andy-akb

07-17-2007, 01:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by courtiebee

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy-akb

I always include any reads I have. Obviously, if I do not have reads, I don't include anything.

Haha, alright.

You did say "stats seemed normal" in the second hand, but didnt include any stats. Im not expecting reads like "5 second pause before c/r on flop is a bluff when it is sunny out," but just any stats at all are helpful, obviously.

donkbee

07-17-2007, 01:27 AM

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Haha. You're right, I should have included stats there.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

gabe

07-17-2007, 02:09 AM

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"I always include any reads I have. Obviously, if I do not have reads, I don't include anything."

if we dont know the first thing then the 2nd one is so obvious!!

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07-17-2007, 08:22 AM

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What's wrong with c/c turn in hand 3?

biondino

07-17-2007, 09:36 AM

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You're only going to win if you hit your flush or maybe 2 pair, otherwise you're effectively giving up the pot.

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07-17-2007, 09:51 AM

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I'm sorry, I meant hand 2. What's wrong with a c/c on turn there?

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