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10-23-2007, 08:59 PM
Post subject: More ISF Theorem 400NL
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Villain is a 4 tabling TAG (15/11). I have only been at the table with him for 2-3 orbits, and i haven't done anything besides take down the blinds. I haven't seen him do anything either
bet sizing? was shoving the turn a mistake?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP ($205.80)
Hero ($419)
SB ($595.20)
BB ($313.70)
UTG ($75.10)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 5 , Q .
2 folds, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $10, 1 fold.
Flop: ($28) J , A, 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB raises to $52, Hero raises to $120, SB calls $68.
Turn: ($268) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $287 (All-In)
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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IowaSkinsFan
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versus an opponent this tight i say no.
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Genitruc
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wow man if he folded this is the sickest hand ever
but on the "insanity" scale, it looks like the bottom part of his range is AJs... so this has to be pretty high up there
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Genitruc
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actually he plays 9Ts this way... so insane
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Do you guys think he 3bets 88?
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10-23-2007, 09:10 PM
Post subject: Re: More ISF Theorem 400NL
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
Flop: ($28) J , A , 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB raises to $52, Hero raises to $120, SB calls $68.
Turn: ($268) 2 (2 players)
SB checks,
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also wtf flop? what am I missing here?
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Note once he raises the flop you have to change his range and not overwhelm yourself with the fact that this flop hit your range hard.
Given his raise size though it may be a donk who doesn't understand pot control trying to see a cheap showdown with his Ax. Hands I doubt we see.
-A8, J8 (considering how tight he is and his flop raise size)
- draws (flop raise size again).
Although i wouldn't be too weirded out if we saw these hands.
How long did he take before calling the flop threebet? Very important imo.
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He's not playing light out of the Small Blind.
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i lol'ed hard Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
How long did he take before calling the flop threebet? Very important imo.
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not unusually long or short. 2 seconds probably
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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Originally Posted by Ash256
Do you guys think he 3bets 88?
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Probably not given his stats but who knows, probably sometimes.
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If you had AA/JJ or any other strong hand, would you really 3-bet the flop like this IN position? The board isnt very draw heavy, so I can't see a strong hand playing it as you did.
I might even call you light on the turn.. based on your flop play... but if you play very strong hands this way in position, then I guess its ok for balance. Though I think you're getting called.
I agree with Irisheyes.... I think its a trap as well
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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sorry for the triple post but i think 9-10s/8-8 are the two most likely hands villain could be holding. The "outliers" in his range seem closely balanced to calling/folding to my push (A-J/A-8/J-8)
10-9 may be kind of sketchy though.
btw griffey i would probably go nuts with a strong hand IP like this (since apparently i would do it as a bluff too)
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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2 seconds is good timing for us imo.
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i dont really like it, but i really wanna see the results
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
btw griffey i would probably go nuts with a strong hand IP like this (since apparently i would do it as a bluff too)
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Ok well this makes it better for sure. I guess I would almost always flat call a c/r with a strong hand, and wait for their turn lead to get it in, so I couldnt bluff like this.
And I agree with ISF that the quick call makes it better for us.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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plz give results because im really interested too.
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he folded.
is my luckboxx going to be shut down for a long time now?
was the 3bet on the flop good though?
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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nh sir
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ballin
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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wow so sick.
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best hand won
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lol sick nh
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Given results, you were almost definitely ahead here actually. There's no way he's folding AJ/A8 here so he's got to have T9s.
lol, still fun hand though.
edit: trip beat me to it
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Oops we forgot QT.
So he may have bluffed out Q high. better kicker.
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LOL. Very good point ISF. I'm going to assume he had QTs because that makes this hand awesome again.
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sklansky would be proud
folded out the best hand
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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call me a donk, but i was in villain's shoes recently with like 55 on this type of board/action...figuring he would give up on his bluffs on the turn...next time im calling lol!
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Man I just really doubt he had a draw, you just don't see that raise size with a draw and its not like this is 2knl where that kind of raise with a draw would have merit. I'm interested to see if he did in fact fold Ax or something?
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Originally Posted by benny999
call me a donk, but i was in villain's shoes recently with like 55 on this type of board/action...figuring he would give up on his bluffs on the turn...next time im calling lol!
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i did not look at the table for several moments after i went all in!
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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what a sick fucking hand lol, love it!!!
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Couldn't he have KQ?
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bode
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wait, arent we behind villains calling range in the SB?
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Originally Posted by ISF Theorem
If your range is ahead of your opponents range, you should bluff more often. If your range is behind your opponents range, you should play tighter.
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anyways, sick bluff, wp, etc., etc.
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wait, arent we behind villains calling range in the SB?
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huh? no, our range is alot wider than opp's preflop and then given flop and turn action our range crushes opp's range.
ie we have more hands in our range that have hit this flop than opp. Opp does not have AA or JJ here like ever
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Hell of a lot of results oriented thinking going on in this thread.
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Wtf. Sick bluff. If villain is capable of folding AJ here it´s +EV imo. Though i think he shouldn´t fold AJ.
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Hell of a lot of results oriented thinking going on in this thread.
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Yep
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No one is saying its good we're just saying its sick... lol.
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No one is saying its good we're just saying its sick... lol.
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out of curiousity, how much money do you think i would lose if i played the hand 10 times the same way versus his range?
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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a lot
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