a more interesting KTs hand than my last one

I like donking out here, $6.

check/raise

I don't know if I i like b3b, that's a lot of BB's to get in with 25% equity. Is it terrible to donk and just call if he raises?

Originally Posted by mcatdog

I don't know if I i like b3b, that's a lot of BB's to get in with 25% equity. Is it terrible to donk and just call if he raises?

This is why I like a check/raise better. We pick off a c-bet and if he raises then his hand is better defined. Donking into him will win the least against air and if he raises it's hard to tell if he's just testing us. If he is, then we have no showdown value to let him spew off.

i think bet/call flop is fine as is check/call.

If we checkraise we have to fold a 3bet?

I definitely prefer check/call

Alright, obv being a sick hybrid of redgrape and nutsinho I decide to call!

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Button ($148.35)
SB ($72.05)
Hero ($228.85)
UTG ($10.10)
MP ($106.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, T.
2 folds, Button raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 9, 4, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($20.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero ????

Originally Posted by Deanglow

If we checkraise we have to fold a 3bet?

...or shove. Usually fold the once in a blue moon we get 3-bet.

I think leading is fine. You are betting for value but also hopefully lessening your opponents positional advantage a little.

Having check-called, I think you should probably bet almost any river if it checks through on the turn.

clear check call

For my 5000th post I'll describe why I think its a 95% c/c:

Speaking generally about your gameplan, this flop sucks to lead.

The reason for this is that its a flop that he's very likely to cbet. On flops like 994, or flops like K95, my number one objective is to capitalize on my opponent's overly zealous continuation betting and barreling strategy. I'll do so by check raise bluffing flops, check raising thinly for value, or check calling to induce barrels which I will then call.

On wetter flop textures, leading becomes a powerful and viable strategy, because there's a much higher likelihood that the flop will be checked through if I check. This is almost universally bad for me because if we both missed the flop he gets a free shot to hit and my ability to bluff is curtailed, and if I hit the flop he gets a free shot to beat me and I lose a potential street of value.

So that said, I'd never lead here because I don't want to shut down his cbet. The two remaining decisions are c/r and c/c.

C/r is however bad, because even though we have a pretty big hand, we aren't super stoked to get it in. Often times when we get it all in, he has a 9 and we are drawing just to our flush draw, and also sometimes we are completely dominated by the NFD. Essentially check raising is risking 100 big blinds to win like 14. Thats pretty poor risk/reward.

C/cing has some benefits though. It allows villain to barrel us when we turn a ten or a king. We get to profitably play multiple streets vs a pretty weak range, keeping the pot small while we don't have anything. Its also much lower variance. Also I actually think that we get less credit when we hit a flush, just because our passive line reeks of so many weak hands like pairs and ace high.

very nice post Renton, however I think you slightly over simplified things.

I think this really depends on villain tendencies and our image.
If villain is a TAG that CAN fold AA on this spot so our best line is B/3B AI. I we c/c and hit we're unlikely to get paid much vs said opponent.
if villain is a LAG we might c/c and c/r any turn as there is an excellent chance our Kh is already the best hand and we have outs in the rare occasion he does have a calling hand.

Against a normal decent player I like c/r, leading any turn. (folding to a shove) i really don't mind if villain folds his Ah. Though we have good equity on the flop its drops a lot on the turn and we'll have to c/f most turns.

Originally Posted by D.Redstone

If villain is a TAG that CAN fold AA on this spot so our best line is B/3B AI. I we c/c and hit we're unlikely to get paid much vs said opponent.

Good luck with that. Also, consider that a lot of weaker players with Aces will just call you down.

v nice post renton. v nice.

Nice post Renton.

Would you c/r 65?

uh he bets 12 i call, and i check a blank river and he checks back 77

meh

Originally Posted by D.Redstone

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If villain is a TAG that CAN fold AA on this spot so our best line is B/3B AI.


Against a normal decent player I like c/r, leading any turn. (folding to a shove) i really don't mind if villain folds his Ah.

1. haha at someone folding AA on 994 two tone

2. if they call flop and turn is a blank, what do you think they are going to fold to your barrel? I would only bet turn in this scenario if i pick up a gutter , hit a pair, or make a flush.

I think versus good players this is more of a c/c but in this situation I c/r like everytime. Yeah, ofc it sucks kind of when he threebets and gets it in, the 5% of the time it happens. And even then, I'm not unhappy about getting it in, 9's and A hi fd's call a ton from these passive scared pussies. This is 100nl people, people are pussies and passive as shit.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I think versus good players this is more of a c/c but in this situation I c/r like everytime. Yeah, ofc it sucks kind of when he threebets and gets it in, the 5% of the time it happens. And even then, I'm not unhappy about getting it in, 9's and A hi fd's call a ton from these passive scared pussies. This is 100nl people, people are pussies and passive as shit.

Phew, thought I was a spewtard for thinking this was standard C/R.

Come on man

how do people find these threads taht are like a year old?

Originally Posted by GatorJH

how do people find these threads taht are like a year old?

My suspicion is they Google a particular situation.

Searching for a particular poster

people just don't give you credit on paired flops and spew, so I would ship if I c/r and got 3b

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($86.55)
MP ($117.05)
CO ($100)
Hero (Button) ($113.60)
SB ($97.50)
BB ($130.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, 10
1 fold, MP bets $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 10, 10, K (2 players)
MP bets $5, Hero raises to $14, MP raises to $33, Hero raises to $110.10 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $74.50 | Rake: $3

I like c/c wayyyy more then c/r or b/c on this flop