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Irisheyes

04-11-2008, 11:51 PM Post subject: Mono flops

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This is gonna be pretty open ended/possibly dumb but I just wanted to get everyone's opinions on monotone flops as I feel that they represent a very common situation where I'm missing some opportunities. Just to put some direction on the discussion I guess I'll lay out some hands.

Hand 1)
40/8/passive fish limps in EP, we raise in LP. Fish calls, HU to flop.
Flop (11bb): T

Fish checks,
How do we feel about betting here with Q

? What about 9

?

Hand 2)
22/17/4 regular TAG opens in MP, we flat OTB with 6

, blinds fold. HU to flop.
Flop (9bb): T

TAG cbets, how do we feel about raising to 3x? What's the worst semi-bluff you feel we can raise here?

Hand 3)
We open OTB, regular TAG from hand 2 calls in the BB.
Flop (8bb): T

He checks,
How do we feel about betting here with Q

? What about 9

?

Thanks for your comments.

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Marshall28

04-12-2008, 12:28 AM

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obviosuly you bet all flops since you should expect to get a fold a high % of the time.

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04-12-2008, 08:08 AM

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Hand 1: I bet with QdJd and 910, i expect to get a fold/have the best hand a decent amount of the time

Hand 2: I like a 3-bet pf since his range is very wide here. Here i might reraise the cbet but it turns our pair of 6 into a bluff since we can't stand a 3-bet from him. I guess it comes down to history/image/opponent, but ofc a 17pfr often misses the flop and just gives up here so i very often raises it if i misses completely.

Hand 3: If he likes to c-raise alot i bet QJ and checks 109 behind going for only one street of value and showdown. If he's more the passive chaser-type i bet both and charges him for the draw with my top-pair.

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04-12-2008, 08:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall28

obviosuly you bet all flops since you should expect to get a fold a high % of the time.

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04-12-2008, 08:21 PM

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Against one fish i am a cbetting machine. Most any hand and draw gets the business

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04-12-2008, 10:46 PM

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you guys bet hand 1 and 3 with QJ?

hand 2) i think i'm raising there basically with Kc at worst for a semi bluff. You could raise like 89 too. obviously i'm raising all two pairs, sets and flushes for value

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04-13-2008, 12:29 PM

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you guys bet hand 1 and 3 with QJ?

I do...but by your comment I assume you don't?
Could you explain why not? And what your plan is by checking behind?
And maybe even what the worst hand is you're betting?

My reasoning for betting is as simple as that I expect that quite some better hands fold? (like A/K high or smaller pairs)

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04-13-2008, 01:04 PM

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yeah QJ is a lolcheckfold in both hands guys.

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Irisheyes

04-13-2008, 02:42 PM

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ty guys thats more like the answers I was expecting.

I think in hand 1 I'm probably VBing a paired 7 and better and any hand with the A

. A

is an even more clear check than QJ.

Hnad 2 I was just considering because his range is wide enough and any hand without a

is in a tight spot when raised on that flop. Obviously we get rebluffed by A

which isn't so great but even if he has J

I think a lot of players will just think 'f that there's no good way to continue here' and make a fold. I think if we're called on the flop than betting any club is good on all later streets because the good-flush-making part of his range will shove the flop.

Hand 3 is like hand 1 except we get c/r more so some hands that were bets now become checks.

Thoughts on all that??

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04-13-2008, 03:52 PM

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Hand 1:

-I bet T9 here always for value since i expect to be called by nonsense and A/K high with a club and not get a fold by some passive player (esp if he's fishy)
-I check QJ here for the same reasons above, we won't get folds I don't think and will get called down by high clubs which have us beat anyhow

Hand 2:
-I'd raise here depending on flop, and his cont bet %
-high cont bet % i'd raise, and if I haven't raised him much recently or in this session I would raise

Hand 3:
-our range is so wide from the button, I expect to get c/r'd here a reasonable amount
-I prob always check QJ and sometimes check T9 for pot control and sometimes bet it

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04-13-2008, 03:55 PM

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Quote:

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obviosuly you bet all flops since you should expect to get a fold a high % of the time.

OBVIOUSLY it 100% depends on opponent

Numbr2intheWorld

04-13-2008, 05:02 PM

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i think should can c/jam depending on gameflow...

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Irisheyes

04-13-2008, 05:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

i think should can c/jam depending on gameflow...

What is this referring to?

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