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Jack Sawyer
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08-27-2009, 03:50 PM
Post subject: Milk [$11 HUSNG]
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What line would be the bluffiest on this particular board? Would you agree with how I played this turn, given the flop play?
Opponent was a standard lag, but didn't bet too much on later streets during the match.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 40/80 Blinds (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Replayer from Poker Hands Replayer
Jizzy Sawya (Button) (t1340)
SB (t1660)
Jizzy Sawya's M: 11.17
Preflop: Jizzy Sawya is Button with  , 
Jizzy Sawya bets t240, SB calls t160
Flop: (t480)  ,  ,  (2 players)
SB bets t320, Jizzy Sawya calls t320
Turn: (t1120)  (2 players)
SB checks, Jizzy Sawya bets t780 (All-In),
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bluffiest would be raising the flop he'll put you on a bluff or flush draw
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sportbike33
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Agreed
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Ok, first of all i'd minraise pre when the stacks get this shallow. You should get a program like sng wizard andf do some math on reshoving ranges to get an idea of how much better it is to minraise.
secondly, i like the way you played it. Shoving the flop is retarded when his line is FoS, your in position, and he has about pot left.
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I disagree with Massimo because he can definitely fold the turn because if he has no club redraw and a hand like 55 he's going to feel he's crushed, but if we ship flop he's going to snap us
that said he's probably not folding Tx on the turn
and he would sometimes shove turn as a bluff
but because the read is he doesn't bluff on later streets...
so it depends on the amount of bluffs in his range, but I feel that when people donk here they want you to raise them as a bluff and spew
and I think some retarded people at $50s and below will call with a wider range if you raise flop to 640 and like donk shove turn on that card esp. if they have a club redraw (I've been burned by that before... since my OESD got fucked on equity after raising small instead of shoving to "appear strong")
I strongly agree with minraising pre, when a shove is like 6x your bet he's getting a very nice price on his semi-bluff especially if you raise a wide range esp. he's getting in as like 40/60 vs. your range since ranges are wide
he wins 2680 40% of the time = 1072
costs him 1260, so his bluff's cost is 188 to win 240 so it doesn't even have to work half of the time
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bigspenda73
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agree w/ max
I also disagree w/ IOPQ, which gives me confidence that I'm correct
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thank you for your reply, Splenda
I now see other sides of the issues I haven't been looking at before. Your argumentation and logic are flawless and your contribution to this thread has been enormous.
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bigspenda73
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well obviously agreeing with Max is the right thing to do, he's very good at poker and plays a reasonable amount of HU SNGs
I think everyone else is being results oriented b/c of the turn card, when it bricks 80% of the time villain is going to jam a high% because ppl have trouble stepping off the gas in HU SNGs.
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Def raise smaller pre, everything else is fine. People who are suggesting we look fos if we raise flop, do you realise how shallow our stacks r and that bluffing in this spot would be awful.
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Jack Sawyer
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thanks for the responses guys.
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