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Galapogos
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07-16-2007, 01:38 AM
Post subject: Messy
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4-of-a-Kind
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The shortstacks suck so I'm not worried about them. What do you do here with this Count Raven guy left to act behind? He's about 29/6, not a spewtard, not a nit, not good.
Texas Hold'em $1-$1 PL (Real Money), #593,783,478
Table Krems, 15 Jul 2007 9:04 PM ET
Seat 1: alieeve ($37.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Galapogos [ 9 ,9 ] ($100.35 in chips)
Seat 3: hidroventuri ($100.45 in chips)
Seat 5: Count Raven ($110.10 in chips)
Seat 10: sparsiate78 ($9.90 in chips)
Antes/Blinds
Count Raven posts blind ($1), sparsiate78 posts blind ($1).
Pre-Flop
alieeve calls $1, Galapogos bets $5, hidroventuri folds, Count Raven calls $4, sparsiate78 bets $8.90 and is all-in, alieeve bets $13.80, Galapogos...
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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benny999
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ur not worried at all about alieeve? i know he's a shorty, but that's a super strong line for lots of donkish players.
anyways with reads given i like reraising it to 28, and seeing what happens.
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mcatdog
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I think that no matter whether you call or re-raise, you should have a plan in mind for what to do if Count Raven re-raises over the top, a plan for what to do if he just calls and you flop an overpair, a plan for what to do if there's just one overcard and it's not an ace, a plan for what to do if you flop a set.
I just don't like the idea of putting a big part of your stack in the middle with no idea of what you want to do if you end up facing a decision for the rest of your stack which is extremely likely. Re-raising to see what happens seems like one of those "dark tunnel" bets that doesn't have a purpose.
I like making it $28 and shutting down unless you hit your set. I'd expect this player to fold but given your description I don't think he'll be getting out of line.
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IowaSkinsFan
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This seems like a really easy call.
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benny999
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mcatdog, i agree. you explained it a ton better, but thats mostly what i meant - to see if the big stack wakes up while isolating the shortys as well.
ISF, why call and let big stack in with overs or a 20% shot when ur most likely ahead?
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noble007
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Well, I don't like making it 28.
You are most likely behind one of the re-raisers esp. Alieeve. even if you're not at least 3-4 overcards are most likely outs between them which makes you a big dog.
I fold.
If I did play I would elect to just call, thinking count raven may call given the pot odds (+-60% chance.) and it is very unlikely he would re-raise.
Then there would be just about enough money in the pot to make the hunting for a set profitable if we assume alieeve is most likely to get it all in on any flop (23$) & if we could get a bit out of count raven - bonus.
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Rondavu
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Just put them both all in. The guy only has 40xBB. 99 is likely the best hand.
It might even be better to flat call and bet max on any flop.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Warpe
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I think there's a good argument for having Count Raven in to play a sidepot. I call.
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Galapogos
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I was torn between a call and raise. I figured my hand to be the best hand at the time, though definately not by a huge margin by any means. So I wanted it to be just between me and the shorties. I raised to $35, and Count Raven pushed over top of me.
I'm having a hard time putting him on a range that would do this, yeah an oddly slowplayed AA-KK but he's OOP and there's a limper in the pot. QQ maybe. I see this often done with AK, someone is afraid to reraise preflop with it, but suddenly when there's action they think "hey the hell not?" and get crazy. Am I just talking myself into wanting to call here?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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biondino
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Foldy McFoldsworth-Folderson IV. I don't see how you can think your hand is better than Allieve unless he's horribly misplayed AK and the existence of Lord Raven probably negates any +EV you might have if you're flipping.
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IowaSkinsFan
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If count raven pushed over the top of you and he was the only person who had you beat than nh.
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noble007
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I'll eat my hat if the 29/6 count raven has anything less than AA in this specific scenario 
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benny999
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galapagos, i think a <$35 raise accomplishes the same...but ya fold if raven pushes, he probably slowplayed a big pair.
i really don't like calling there. it's unlikely a set gets paid off, and there's going to be a face card a lot of the time on the flop.
i'd feel pretty dumb calling, and losing if alieeve pushes QTo on a T 4 5 flop, or folding if he pushes QTo on a A J 5.
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