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Ash256
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10-23-2007, 08:45 PM
Post subject: Melodramatic fold w/ KK
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Opponent has TAGgy stats over a decent sample, seems to know what he's doing. I really don't think I can discount AA here.
100BB effective
Maybe he's got AQ, but I really don't think it's a big enough chunk of his range for me to felt this.
2000mph posts Small Blind $0.50
DEmeant0r posts Big Blind $1
Your cards :Kc: :Kh:
ppaoss raises $4
1 fold
R3sistance raises $14
PieterE3 calls $14
3 folds
Dealing Flop
 :Qc: 
R3sistance bets $18
PieterE3 raises $45
R3sistance folds
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EzDuzIt
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bet more on the flop and then get all in on the flop.
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I don't see why you would want to commit 1/3 of your stack with an overpair and then fold to an almost min raise. I would discount AA from most opponent's ranges, as well as 66 or 99. Most people will 4-bet with aces and most TAGs will fold pps when sandwiched in with bad implied odds. I think you're almost certainly ahead.
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IowaSkinsFan
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yeah get it in n00b.
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Ash256
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I don't get it though.. what's a good TAG's range for coldcalling a 3bet pre AND raising flop after I've shown strength despite his coldcall? I can't see it being anything other than QQ-AA, AQ..
Have I gone wrong somewhere?
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Ash256
I don't get it though.. what's a good TAG's range for coldcalling a 3bet pre AND raising flop after I've shown strength despite his coldcall? I can't see it being anything other than QQ-AA, AQ..
Have I gone wrong somewhere?
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I think you can add AK into his range, even though you have two K's.
If you think his range is that narrow, why not check/call the flop? or c/r if you don't mind getting it in here.
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this is why
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
24,750 games 0.015 secs 1,650,000 games/sec
Board: Qh 9d 6d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.911% 41.00% 01.91% 10148 472.50 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 57.089% 55.18% 01.91% 13657 472.50 { QQ+, 99, AQs, AQo }
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and that's disregarding him ever bluffing.
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yea seriously
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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well yeah obviously isf if he can have AQ then its a super easy shove.
But he can't.
I think i still get it in here though.
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either shoving or folding is usually ideal in this spot
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Stick it in.
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Originally Posted by Renton
well yeah obviously isf if he can have AQ then its a super easy shove.
But he can't.
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I completely disagree, however i do agree that it may not be AQ as much as say AA, QQ, or 99.
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bode
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Showing only 1/2 the combos of 99 and AQs/AQo and including AdKd. Auto call.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
18,810 games 0.031 secs 606,774 games/sec
Board: Qh 9d 6d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.542% 33.03% 02.51% 6213 472.50 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 64.458% 61.95% 02.51% 11652 472.50 { QQ+, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9c9s, AdKd, AhQh, AdQd, AdQc, AhQc, AhQd, AsQc, AsQd, AsQh }
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As everyone said - Shove or fold but I tend to be shoving here most of the times with 100bb stacks.
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I tend to see hands like A/Q diamonds, or A/K diamonds shoving here alot....
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Ash256
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Thx guys, I'll get it in next time.. I still feel it's fairly close, but seeing your responses has made me realise it's not nearly close enough to muck.
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