Maybe I was just too baked

**Genitruc** · 03-24-2012 10:11 PM

Villain is J a m e s 6 6 6, a pro who plays up to 5-10. We have no relevant history but I know he can make big folds.

I expect to hear lots of "bet the flop replies" (which is ok ofc).

I am playing pretty nitty over the 5 or 6 orbits he has been at the table.

eff stacks 145bb

I 3x QQ from HJ, James flats after timing down in the CO, folds to a HU flop:

I check he bets 5 into 6, I think for a while then call

turn (17$) is

(board is now badugi)

I check James bets 13 fairly quickly, I think for quite a while then call

riv (42$) is

James thinks for quite a while and bets 28$

I wait about 5 secs then jam for 100 more

**d0zer** · 03-24-2012 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Genitruc

I expect to hear lots of "bet the flop replies" (which is ok ofc).

did you expect to hear lots of "don't play baked" replies?

**pocketfours** · 03-24-2012 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Genitruc

(board is now badugi)

LOL! But what you probably didn't notice is that this hand is extremely tempting to break, and had we done so, that river gives us an even better badugi.

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If you remember it wasn't long ago when I took a bs looking flop check, raise river line against him as thin value with trips no kicker and he folded trips unknown kicker face up. Just keep bluffing him all day.

That said I'm not too happy about this exact shove, just because he is very likely on AT+ here based on his flop tendencies and also because you're capped to trips or worse. So in this exact spot I'd just fold.

Flop check is just fine imo and turn is a pretty clear c/c also.

**Genitruc** · 03-25-2012 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by d0zer

did you expect to hear lots of "don't play baked" replies?

hah levelled!

no, don t suppose i did

**ilikeaces86** · 03-26-2012 04:11 PM

I would be more tempted to call the river than shove.

**Numbr2intheWorld** · 03-26-2012 04:24 PM

I might just fold turn tbh, I doubt he's betting this card with any bluffs.

**Vi-Zer0Skill** · 03-26-2012 06:13 PM

there are 27 combos of nut hands he definitely isn't folding (22/44/TT/AT) and maybe twice that many of A2/A4/T8/AJ/AQ he could fold.

I think this play could be good if we know he's folding <A4 80% of the time. I agree with ilikeaces that a call would be better though - he could be vbetting Tx/JJ along with some bluffs.

even more I think I'd just b/c flop c/f turn !!

**Genitruc** · 03-26-2012 06:16 PM

if we re villain and we don t think i can have bluffs in my range, we re snapping 222?

**aka_red** · 03-27-2012 12:13 AM

yeah..? getting 2:1 and there are only 6 combos of hands that beat us. while ATs makes up 2 combos already putting you at 3:1. This doesn't include the fact that this going to be a bluff a portion of the time.

**Alexos** · 04-02-2012 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Genitruc

if we re villain and we don t think i can have bluffs in my range, we re snapping 222?

oh que oui!

**IowaSkinsFan** · 04-03-2012 02:37 AM

How can you not bet the flop here, and I don't mind the play here.

You absolutely shouldn't fold the turn.

03-24-2012 10:11 PM #1
Genitruc View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 4,504	Maybe I was just too baked Villain is J a m e s 6 6 6, a pro who plays up to 5-10. We have no relevant history but I know he can make big folds. I expect to hear lots of "bet the flop replies" (which is ok ofc). I am playing pretty nitty over the 5 or 6 orbits he has been at the table. eff stacks 145bb I 3x QQ from HJ, James flats after timing down in the CO, folds to a HU flop: I check he bets 5 into 6, I think for a while then call turn (17$) is (board is now badugi) I check James bets 13 fairly quickly, I think for quite a while then call riv (42$) is James thinks for quite a while and bets 28$ I wait about 5 secs then jam for 100 more
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03-24-2012 10:16 PM #2
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,223	Originally Posted by Genitruc I expect to hear lots of "bet the flop replies" (which is ok ofc). did you expect to hear lots of "don't play baked" replies?

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03-24-2012 11:53 PM #3
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,570 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	Originally Posted by Genitruc (board is now badugi) LOL! But what you probably didn't notice is that this hand is extremely tempting to break, and had we done so, that river gives us an even better badugi. -- If you remember it wasn't long ago when I took a bs looking flop check, raise river line against him as thin value with trips no kicker and he folded trips unknown kicker face up. Just keep bluffing him all day. That said I'm not too happy about this exact shove, just because he is very likely on AT+ here based on his flop tendencies and also because you're capped to trips or worse. So in this exact spot I'd just fold. Flop check is just fine imo and turn is a pretty clear c/c also.

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03-25-2012 01:19 AM #4
Genitruc View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 4,504	Originally Posted by d0zer did you expect to hear lots of "don't play baked" replies? hah levelled! no, don t suppose i did
	when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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03-26-2012 04:11 PM #5
ilikeaces86 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2004 Posts 2,294	I would be more tempted to call the river than shove.

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03-26-2012 04:24 PM #6
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Vi-Zer0Skill View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Reagan's Kid Join Date Nov 2006 Posts 1,994	there are 27 combos of nut hands he definitely isn't folding (22/44/TT/AT) and maybe twice that many of A2/A4/T8/AJ/AQ he could fold. I think this play could be good if we know he's folding <A4 80% of the time. I agree with ilikeaces that a call would be better though - he could be vbetting Tx/JJ along with some bluffs. even more I think I'd just b/c flop c/f turn !!
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03-26-2012 06:16 PM #8
Genitruc View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 4,504	if we re villain and we don t think i can have bluffs in my range, we re snapping 222?
	when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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03-27-2012 12:13 AM #9
aka_red View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2004 Posts 1,384 Location house	yeah..? getting 2:1 and there are only 6 combos of hands that beat us. while ATs makes up 2 combos already putting you at 3:1. This doesn't include the fact that this going to be a bluff a portion of the time.
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04-02-2012 04:25 PM #10
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04-03-2012 02:37 AM #11
IowaSkinsFan View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2004 Posts 8,895	How can you not bet the flop here, and I don't mind the play here. You absolutely shouldn't fold the turn.
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