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Old 10-17-2007, 05:41 AM     Post subject: Marginal Turn Spot #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is fishy (46/15) and I’ve been beating up on him, which makes this a little tougher.

I haven’t seen him get really out of line postflop, but he’s def stationy.

FWIW, he took a pretty long time before checking the flop to me and I'm pretty sure he isn't multitabling. So either he went to get a beer, or he was unsure as to what to do.

I’m curious about everything on the turn, esp bet size if you like a bet :

Seat 1: birwin777 ( $539.62 USD )
Seat 5: sharppedge ( $459.60 USD )
Seat 2: HERO ( $667.30 USD )
Seat 4: xBORMANx ( $88.60 USD )
Seat 3: tokenblak ( $394 USD )
Seat 6: DMETLA ( $162 USD )
sharppedge posts small blind [$2 USD].
DMETLA posts big blind [$4 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO
birwin777 calls [$4 USD]
HERO raises [$18 USD]
tokenblak folds.
xBORMANx folds.
sharppedge folds.
DMETLA folds.
birwin777 calls [$14 USD]

** Dealing Flop **

birwin777 checks.
HERO bets [$32 USD]
birwin777 calls [$32 USD]

** Dealing Turn **

birwin777 checks.
HERO bets [$55 USD]
birwin777 raises [$110 USD]
HERO…
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 it doesnt really seem like you are beating anything there...
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:38 AM #3 (permalink)  
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standard is to fold obviously. i think you need a better read before you can considering doing anything else.
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Old 10-18-2007, 07:05 AM #4 (permalink)  
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def dont fold

he raise 15% of hands which means he likely raises KQ preflop
on such a drawy board he may raise sets on the flop

he can often be making a free showdown play with any decent queen or Kxs or even mid PPs depending on his perception of you

you are getting incredible pot odds and r in pos

so Id call here and fold to any bet bigger than half pot on any river except a 3, 7, K, A.
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Old 10-18-2007, 07:57 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 how bad is a raise for protection
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:05 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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def dont fold

he raise 15% of hands which means he likely raises KQ preflop
on such a drawy board he may raise sets on the flop

he can often be making a free showdown play with any decent queen or Kxs or even mid PPs depending on his perception of you

you are getting incredible pot odds and r in pos

so Id call here and fold to any bet bigger than half pot on any river except a 3, 7, K, A.

This makes sense.
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:34 AM #7 (permalink)  
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sauce's post makes sense to me to..except i doubt his min-raise is a showdown play being oop on this board.
so i think either fold (maybe i do this too much), or call him down. fwiw i remember stuff like 66, 65, overcards, etc shown to me in a few similar spots.
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Old 10-18-2007, 10:17 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I don't know, with that stats I wouldn't even count out K7 or K3.

Putting villain on KQ alone is quite hard, and villain c/c this flop and checking turn again with a set is hard to believe as well.

People do weird things though, so in position with this odds and this villain, I think I call.
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