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Old 09-10-2007, 11:14 PM     Post subject: marginal spot in squeezed pot #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain in this hand is Mroneputt. He plays about 18/11 and seems pretty nitty, not that aggressive, but not passive either. I haven't played 1/2 6-max in a while so we haven't played together in a while.

My image is probably solid, kinda aggro. I don't squeeze a lot and he probably thinks this too.

The other guy in the hand is a huge fish.

Who thinks c/f? Please describe your plan if you bet or c/f.

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Button ($112)
Hero ($192)
BB ($132.60)
UTG ($446.25)
MP ($215)
CO ($290.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q.
UTG raises to $8, MP calls $8, 2 folds, Hero raises to $34, 1 fold, UTG calls $26, MP calls $26.

Flop: ($104) J, 7, T (3 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero ??????

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1. Out of all the times oneputt raised AA or KK UTG here, he'd probably cold call with them 25% of the time and 4-bet or shove the rest of the time.
2. AK is definitely in his range. He will almost never bluff raise it on the flop.
3. I doubt he has AJ, KQ, or QJ but it's not impossible.
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:55 PM #2 (permalink)  
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bet for info vs the one you have all those reads on, and for value vs the huge fish.
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:08 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I don't see AA, KK here, because I think either one 4-bets into two opponents with either.

Though both are still likely, I would say that TT, and JJ are more often here. It's a pretty good sized pot though, so I think I bet out. If there is a raise and call, I fold. If there is a fold, and MP shoves, I probably call.
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:45 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 b/f, doesnt even have to be much, half pot should do it.
If he calls c/f rest.

I probably rasie to 32 pre but it doesnt really matter.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:38 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I don't see AA, KK here, because I think either one 4-bets into two opponents with either.
If I have AA here (UTG) I might just call preflop because I dont want to lose the huge fish in a situation where I am going to stack him alot with any pair postflop (in such an inflated pot). Is this bad?
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:42 AM #6 (permalink)  
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i like half pot also
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Old 09-11-2007, 04:05 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 ak, qq and 99 are most likely hands since sets are hard to flop

villain will fold QQ if he's smart since your perceived range is sets, better overpairs and AK.

I d be reluctant to bet 1/2 pot here since I think you may get played back at by AK so I'd bet about 2/3 to 3/4 and fold really quickly to a push
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 09-11-2007, 04:25 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 yea, pseudo-committing your stack seems better than betting weakly.
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:04 AM #9 (permalink)  
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ak, qq and 99 are most likely hands since sets are hard to flop

villain will fold QQ if he's smart since your perceived range is sets, better overpairs and AK.

I d be reluctant to bet 1/2 pot here since I think you may get played back at by AK so I'd bet about 2/3 to 3/4 and fold really quickly to a push
gen- we r stacking off to donk happily. other villain knows this and so will not get fancy and shove airballs (AK) as donk will call down with AJ
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:09 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 Ok... I bet a little harder than the consensus. Now i have six outs.

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Button ($112)
Hero ($192)
BB ($132.60)
UTG ($446.25)
MP ($215)
CO ($290.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q.
UTG raises to $8, MP calls $8, 2 folds, Hero raises to $34, 1 fold, UTG calls $26, MP calls $26.

Flop: ($104) J, 7, T (3 players)
Hero bets $70, UTG calls $70, MP folds.

Turn: ($244) 8 (2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero ?????
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:11 AM #11 (permalink)  
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turn is a very easy c/f
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:31 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 good point about impact of donk on villain's flop play sauce

guess i got ahead of myself thinking of it HU cuz UTG is described as Villain.

Btw I m very tempted to shove turn here (gasp)
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:19 AM #13 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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turn is a very easy c/f
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If I have AA here (UTG) I might just call preflop because I dont want to lose the huge fish in a situation where I am going to stack him alot with any pair postflop (in such an inflated pot). Is this bad?
Personally, If there is going to be a multiway flop, I'd rather be as close to stacked as possible preflop. I don't mind losing the fish if it will drastically increase my equity in the hand.

Plus, my decisions on later streets will probably be more complex with the extra player.
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:14 PM #14 (permalink)  
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on flop i bet half pot and give up and obv am not happy about it..
he folds missed overs and what stays in beats u for that.

edit: checking is good too imo.
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turn is a very easy c/f
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If I have AA here (UTG) I might just call preflop because I dont want to lose the huge fish in a situation where I am going to stack him alot with any pair postflop (in such an inflated pot). Is this bad?
Personally, If there is going to be a multiway flop, I'd rather be as close to stacked as possible preflop. I don't mind losing the fish if it will drastically increase my equity in the hand.

Plus, my decisions on later streets will probably be more complex with the extra player.
not sure why you think getting rid of the fish would increase your equity in any way. Lower your variance? Sure. Increase your equity? Not likely.
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Old 09-14-2007, 02:53 AM #16 (permalink)  
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:07 PM #17 (permalink)  
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if you start puahing this flop with ak then it bwcomes easy to push qq dor
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