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Old 11-23-2007, 11:28 PM     Post subject: Marginal Spot Deepish #1 (permalink)  
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 I have been playing very very aggro and crazy at the table. I have 3-bet this villain and c-bet 2 or 3 times so far after he called pre in position. I’m pretty sure he’s flatting pre fairly light. He folded each time so far so I expect him to play back soon.

My 3-bet shoulda been bigger.

I'm pretty sure he'll bet a wide range if I check (since it makes sense for me to check/fold at some point...).

What is a plan for the hand you guys like? Eff stacks are 927$.

$400 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 23, 18:59:18 ET 2007
Table Table 127929 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: CAESARWHISP ( $429.18 USD )
Seat 2: Backstacker1 ( $0 USD )
Seat 3: tQftQf ( $927.30 USD )
Seat 5: HERO ( $1,039.69 USD )
Seat 6: TafaT ( $376 USD )
Seat 4: fu_sharks ( $400 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$2 USD].
TafaT posts big blind [$4 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO
tQftQf raises [$15 USD]
HERO raises [$50 USD]
TafaT folds.
tQftQf calls [$37 USD]

** Dealing Flop **

HERO …
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:28 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Also I think 3-betting is marginal this deep OOP

Problem is he prob thinks i m doing it light so I've prob got a big edge on his calling range
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:33 AM #3 (permalink)  
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yuck. your hand is just a little better than 5x5c. i suppose if he's likely to raise but you aren't comfortable 3 betting the flop, you could check/raise or c/c and lead a safe turn? check folding just doesn't seem right but maybe that's the best. so i guess what i'm saying is something involving a check is good.
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Old 11-24-2007, 11:35 AM #4 (permalink)  
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this seems like a rly easy bet/fold
I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
 
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:37 PM #5 (permalink)  
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this seems like a rly easy bet/fold
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:44 PM #6 (permalink)  
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yeah...is it ever correct to check OOP when you 3bet preflop?
 
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:52 PM #7 (permalink)  
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yeah...is it ever correct to check OOP when you 3bet preflop?
r u serious i really dont know
I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
 
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:01 PM #8 (permalink)  
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yeah...is it ever correct to check OOP when you 3bet preflop?
yes


Geni this isn't a board your going to see a draw play back at you this deep.

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Old 11-24-2007, 06:47 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Hmmm, bet/fold isn't the first thing that came to my head but i like it.
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yeah...is it ever correct to check OOP when you 3bet preflop?
r u serious i really dont know
i'm serious. i'm sure there are exceptions as with everything else, but i think c-betting in or out of position after being the preflop aggressor is the correct play > 90% of the time.

hmmm...thinking about it more, there are probably times when even if you whiffed your AK you might be able to squeeze more EV outta your opponent by check-bombing, but still seems really high risk/low reward to me.
 
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yeah...is it ever correct to check OOP when you 3bet preflop?
r u serious i really dont know
i'm serious. i'm sure there are exceptions as with everything else, but i think c-betting in or out of position after being the preflop aggressor is the correct play > 90% of the time.

hmmm...thinking about it more, there are probably times when even if you whiffed your AK you might be able to squeeze more EV outta your opponent by check-bombing, but still seems really high risk/low reward to me.
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Old 11-24-2007, 09:09 PM #12 (permalink)  
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yeah...is it ever correct to check OOP when you 3bet preflop?
r u serious i really dont know
i'm serious. i'm sure there are exceptions as with everything else, but i think c-betting in or out of position after being the preflop aggressor is the correct play > 90% of the time.

hmmm...thinking about it more, there are probably times when even if you whiffed your AK you might be able to squeeze more EV outta your opponent by check-bombing, but still seems really high risk/low reward to me.
u think really scary poker-thoughts sometimes

u should def check/fold, check/raise, check/call, bet/fold, bet/call, bet3bet oop as the pfr in a 3bet pot all in relatively substantial amounts
I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
 
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 DO NOT SPEAK SUCH BLASPHELMUTH
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 I don't mind bet/fold but I dont know why its such an EASY bet fold...especially since we cbet pretty much ever time in the other 3bet pots.

How would our action change if we had AcQs?

C/R? Bet/3bet?
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Old 11-24-2007, 09:24 PM #15 (permalink)  
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I don't mind bet/fold but I dont know why its such an EASY bet fold...especially since we cbet pretty much ever time in the other 3bet pots.

How would our action change if we had AcQs?

C/R? Bet/3bet?
its a bet/fold cause we r flipping/behind his calling range, but are often dead/close to dead to his raising range...

b) seems like a c/r with AcQs against most ppl
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 Just because a line seems shitty/ doesnt have us as the aggressor doesn't make it a bad line, it can just be a good line in a shitty spot.
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Old 11-24-2007, 11:05 PM #17 (permalink)  
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 how about check-call then CRai on any turn?

edit : I may just be severely retarded
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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u should def check/fold, check/raise, check/call, bet/fold, bet/call, bet3bet oop as the pfr in a 3bet pot all in relatively substantial amounts
hmmm, i think i understand now. i have yet to incorporate much lite 3betting into my game, so i can see how there would be problems with doing the same thing all the time when you're 3betting lite with hands like 76s and 33.
 
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