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Old 06-17-2006, 01:29 AM     Post subject: Lots of very uninteresting hands #1 (permalink)  
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I recently started playing at Party, 200NL 6Max. So far I've seen more aggressive, but also donkish play than at Prima. Because my PT database is almost empty (obv) I don't have a lot of reads so far.. I'll just post some hands and my thoughts; any comments are appreciated.

Instapush?
******* Hand 1 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $282.35
CO: $391.60
Button: $215.40
SB: $139.80
Hero: $203.60

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A A
UTG folds, CO raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $15, CO calls.

Flop: K 5 J ($31, 2 players)
Hero bets $22, CO raises to $44, Hero raises all-in $166.6, CO calls.

Turn: 6 ($408.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $408.2)


River: 8 ($408.2, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $408.2)


Results:
Final pot: $408.2
CO shows Qh 9h
Hero doesn't show Ac Ah

Limpraise indicates AA, but his flop push is a bit strange.. QQ would play it slower I guess.. Still an easy fold? I watched him stack off with QQ vs AA earlier, so he might overvalue big PP.

******* Hand 2 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $389.20
UTG+1: $438.75
Hero: $200
Button: $107.25
SB: $66.85
BB: $255.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K K
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, UTG+1 raises to $28, Hero calls.

Flop: Q 9 8 ($59, 2 players)
UTG+1 raises all-in $412.75, Hero calls all-in $172.
Uncalled bets: $240.75 returned to UTG+1.

Turn: 5 ($403, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $403)


River: 9 ($403, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $403)


Results:
Final pot: $403
UTG+1 shows Ad As
Hero doesn't show Kc Kd

I put shortie on 9/FD here. Just spewing

******* Hand 3 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $301.80
UTG+1: $408.48
Hero: $246.68
Button: $112.20
SB: $135.13
BB: $211.27

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T A
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 4 K 9 ($19, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, Button calls.

Turn: 7 ($43, 2 players)
Hero bets $30, Button calls.

River: Q ($103, 2 players)
Hero bets $75, Button calls all-in $62.2.
Uncalled bets: $12.8 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $227.4
Hero shows Td Ah
Button shows Jc Kh

Another case of spewing. I'm an overaggro donk
******* Hand 4 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $87
UTG+1: $220.20
CO: $179
Button: $504
Hero: $308.85
BB: $179.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A J
3 folds, Button raises to $8, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: K K 4 ($18, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $8, Hero calls.

Turn: 3 ($34, 2 players)
Hero bets $22, Button calls.

River: 5 ($78, 2 players)
Hero bets $50, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: $178
Hero shows As Jd
Button shows Ad Kc

Folding the best hand? Villain's weird turn check is to induce a bluff? edit: JJ/AA of course..
******* Hand 5 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $117.20
UTG+1: $129.68
CO: $211.27
Button: $193.65
SB: $445.48
Hero: $322.68

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A K
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button raises to $8, SB calls, Hero raises to $23, UTG folds, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: 5 2 2 ($71, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $50, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: J ($171, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: T ($171, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $100, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $100 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $171

Should've bet the river right?
******* Hand 6 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $136.50
UTG+1: $218.13
CO: $564.45
Button: $194
Hero: $301.15
BB: $258.27

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with T T
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises to $8, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 2 6 3 ($24, 3 players)
Hero bets $16, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: Q ($56, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: 3 ($56, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $38.5, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $133
UTG shows Ad 3d
Hero doesn't show Th Tc

Iso-raise flop? I guess there's not enough dead money to do that although I like my equity vs. shortie.
******* Hand 7 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $190.95
UTG+1: $217.55
CO: $24
Button: $236.83
Hero: $198
BB: $121.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 7 6
UTG raises to $5, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: 4 9 5 ($20, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $15, CO raises all-in $19, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: 6 ($77, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $77)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: K ($77, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $77)
Hero checks, UTG bets $16, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $16 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $77
UTG shows Kh 9s
CO doesn't show 4s As

I usually check this flop.. What's better?
******* Hand 8 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
CO: $24
UTG: $590.60
CO: $104
Hero: $245.95
SB: $272.75
BB: $210.15

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 9 K
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 5 7 K ($24, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $15, SB folds, BB raises to $35, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $20 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $54

AK is a reraising hand usually, but look at Villain's stack and PFR size.. Anyone a better line?
******* Hand 9 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
CO: $24
UTG: $143.21
CO: $265.70
Button: $134.34
Hero: $190
BB: $161.67

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with K A
2 folds, Button raises to $15, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3 6 6 ($32, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $20, Hero raises all-in $175, Button calls all-in $99.34.
Uncalled bets: $55.66 returned to Hero.

Turn: 8 ($270.68, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $270.68)


River: 5 ($270.68, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $270.68)


Results:
Final pot: $270.68
Button shows 4c 4h
Hero shows Kh Ah

I represent the Q better than Villain.. Spewy probably.
******* Hand 10 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $219.10
CO: $530.95
CO: $24
Hero: $224.15
SB: $295.05
BB: $212.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 3 3
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: T 7 Q ($17, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB calls.

Turn: Q ($37, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $23, BB raises to $46, Hero calls.

River: 9 ($129, 2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $100, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $80 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $169

Turn bet told me he was drawing.
******* Hand 11 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $212.85
CO: $200.25
Hero: $295.34
SB: $193
CO: $24
BB: $250.46

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 9 T
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, SB folds, BB raises to $12, Hero calls.

Flop: J Q 3 ($25, 2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero calls.

Turn: 5 ($65, 2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero raises to $50, BB calls.

River: 4 ($165, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $125, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $125 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $165

I was hoping Villain would call with his counterfeited baby flush. Standard right?
******* Hand 12 ********

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $237.55
UTG+1: $266.82
CO: $209.80
Button: $209.13
SB: $541.15
BB: $208.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A J
Hero raises to $8, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 2 J 6 ($25, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16, CO raises to $32, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 4 ($89, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $15, Hero calls.

River: 3 ($119, 2 players)
Hero raises all-in $182.55, CO folds.
Uncalled bets: $182.55 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $119
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Old 06-17-2006, 08:47 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Quite a few hands here Johnny. What's your PP handle? I play 200nl on party every day so I'll be on the lookout. I've been datamining a bunch lately too. Anyways ..

Hand 1: Standard with the Ah, I'm looking to get all in on this flop too.

Hand 2: If the flop was J high instead of Q high I'd call, but you don't beat QQ or AA and JJ doesn't play it like this. He can't have AdKd so I would assume this is AA a lot. The board is pretty draw heavy and people play AA like this a lot, but they pot bet more instead of open pushing.

Hand 3: I don't think you have enough fold equity here to make betting profitable. Other than the flush draw the board isn't all that draw heavy.

Hand 4: I reraise PF vs a button raiser, you usually have the best hand here anyways. As played I don't like betting the river at all. He either has a K or some kind of PP. He is definitely calling you with either on that board.

Hand 5: Seems standard.

Hand 6: Bet the turn, the Q should not have helped his hand. My line here is to bet and fold to a raise.

Hand 7: Yeah standard.

Hand 8: Very standard without a read. I may call once and see what he does on the turn if the board was draw heavy, but on this board it looks like he has a set or a better king. I wouldn't check this flop almost ever.

Hand 9: Kind of a strange hand, when people raise huge preflop I tend to fold more marginal hands unless they start doing it a lot. If you aren't going to RR preflop then why c/r ai vs a shortstack with air? Just seems silly. Nice catch though.

Hand 10: I avoid these high variance plays, but if you want to make these plays that are very borderline be willing to accept the variance that comes with it. Nice hand though.

Hand 11: Looks good, board was very drawy so a river bet looks profitable.
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Old 06-17-2006, 11:23 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I call his flopminraise and reevaluate turn (unless a really scary card falls I will be willing to go the felt with this hand though because I have the Ace of hearts). Mostly (but not always though!) you'll only get called by better hands when pushing allin.

Hand 2: This is QQ or AA a lot, and with the huge overbet and bad odds you are getting on your call I fold here almost everytime.

Hand 3: I mostly give up on the turn when OOP (unless I have a damn good read).

Hand 4: I dont like it at all. Stop floating OOP. This hand is different had you been in position though.

Hand 5: The hand is fine. Often I put the rest in on the turn representing AA-QQ.

Hand 6: Both leading river (fold to raise) and c/c a reasonable bet is good here. The more of a calling station opp is the more I'm inclined to lead.

Hand 7: I play it the same I think.

hand 8: Fold is fine with this dry board. checking behind on this board isnt terrible either to keep the pot small and induce bluffs with a marginal hand.

Hand 9: I reraise to 40-45 here and openpush almost any flop.As played I fold flop, I cant see how you can checkraise allin here without a read.

Hand 10: Bet more on the flop and turn, your bets are very weak and probably has a lot less folding equity. cant comment on the rest of the hand because I never run these kind of big bluffs at NL100, but you are representing a strong Q or better and with his weak river lead its an easy (?) bluffreraise.

hand 11: Nice hand if your read says he's drawing when minbetting the turn. Sometimes I just call the turn bet and draw for cheap though.

Hand 12: flop and turn looks fine, I would valuebet river here instead though, because most villains are unlikely to call an openpush on this river without the ace of hearts.
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Old 06-17-2006, 01:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I think that you may have just a little bit too much gamble in you.
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Old 06-17-2006, 01:36 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Quite a few hands here Johnny. What's your PP handle? I play 200nl on party every day so I'll be on the lookout. I've been datamining a bunch lately too. Anyways ..

Whats yours? I'm lolYouFoldEZ. I float between 200 and 400NL.
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1) Fine.

2) Ya I wouldn't like to have to do it but fold the flop. Preflop his range is basically AA/QQ/bluff, on the flop nearly all of this is ahead of you.

3) Check fold turn.

4) Same as 3

5) Fine. He has overpair.

6) Bet the turn.

7)

8) Fine.

9) I actually like this, he's up to something.

10) I like the 2nd Barrell but fold when he raises back.

11) I like.

12) Bet smaller on the river. But its easy to say that in hindsight.
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Old 06-17-2006, 03:07 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 hand2 is an insta fold on the flop, your beating nothing he's repping

Id have fired another bullet in hand 5. Add to that im a station at times and might have overcalled the river here....

hand7 is messy. I hate how you played this but im struggling for other lines. Can we lead here with such a multiway pot and hope to fold over cards and stuff? Id certainly have led the turn i think because id have assumed UTG had to call the flop with whateva he had. However its suspcious he c-bet into a multitude of opponents here on a rag flop. Dangerous with an overpair and downright bad with overs, but then it is party :P Why did you check the turn here btw? to c/r?

hand9. reraise preflop, possibly call a push (dunno) but push any flop if you reraise here.

Hand12. reads! If he'll bet his baby flush here on the river id check/raise but if hes smart enough to check behind with it (or tp for that matter) then id go ahead and try either a donkih bet in the hope of getting raised or a value bet. Noone is going to call that river surely
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Old 06-18-2006, 01:05 AM #8 (permalink)  
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My PP handle is johnny2912. Feel free to take my money, I give lots of it away recently.

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I think that you may have just a little bit too much gamble in you.
Maybe. My game feels off lately. Could be variance, bad cards, yada yada.. Played 34 (!) hands tonight at Prima 400NL and immediately got PWNED. Every single decision seems difficult lately, I can't put people on hands, make stupid bluffs etc.

Very first hand of the day. Villain is 23/15/3.5 over 2.6K hands. A raise in SB after a limper should signal strength & I didn't want to overrepresent my hand so I call. He checks the flop (3.5AF) which means he missed or hit the nuts. Let's guess it's weakness, I bet.. I feel like he was drawing at the river but I can't call obv. Could be Ax too, but why didn't he protect vs. the FD?

** Game ID 831992540 starting - 2006-06-18 02:17:56
** Bass [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- melv231 sitting in seat 2 with $599.72 [Dealer]
- mrdawwe sitting in seat 3 with $371.82
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 4 with $396.00
- PashmaloO sitting in seat 5 with $361.80
- Sorazal sitting in seat 6 with $47.19

mrdawwe posted the small blind - $2.00
johnny291281 posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: 10 of Spades, 10 of Diamonds
PashmaloO folded
Sorazal called - $4.00
melv231 folded
mrdawwe raised - $22.00
johnny291281 called - $22.00
Sorazal folded

** Dealing the flop: King of Spades, Ace of Spades, 2 of Diamonds
mrdawwe checked
johnny291281 bet - $32.00
mrdawwe called - $32.00

** Dealing the turn: 9 of Hearts
mrdawwe checked
johnny291281 checked

** Dealing the river: 9 of Diamonds
mrdawwe bet - $60.00
johnny291281 folded
mrdawwe mucks:
mrdawwe wins $170.00 from the main pot

End of game 831992540

Same Villain. Bad place to 2nd barrel maybe (CaptZeebo's law..) but his instacall amazed me. Could I really make money this easy with KK/AA? Does he really think I'm an overaggressive bluffing donkey? Wtf?

** Game ID 831996387 starting - 2006-06-18 02:22:50
** Bass [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- -Strandberg- sitting in seat 1 with $396.00
- melv231 sitting in seat 2 with $633.22
- mrdawwe sitting in seat 3 with $446.56
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 4 with $381.17 [Dealer]
- PashmaloO sitting in seat 5 with $355.80

PashmaloO posted the small blind - $2.00
-Strandberg- posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: Ace of Spades, King of Clubs
melv231 folded
mrdawwe raised - $16.00
johnny291281 raised - $50.00
PashmaloO folded
-Strandberg- folded
mrdawwe called - $50.00

** Dealing the flop: Queen of Hearts, Queen of Diamonds, 8 of Spades
mrdawwe checked
johnny291281 bet - $70.00
mrdawwe called - $70.00

** Dealing the turn: Queen of Clubs
mrdawwe checked
johnny291281 went all-in - $261.17
mrdawwe called - $261.17

** Dealing the river: 7 of Diamonds
johnny291281 shows: Ace of Spades, King of Clubs
mrdawwe shows: 10 of Diamonds, 10 of Clubs
mrdawwe wins $766.34 from the main pot

End of game 831996387

If he really had Ax/97 wouldn't he just push? I probably shouldn't even consider pushing here, but it crossed my mind

** Game ID 832000957 starting - 2006-06-18 02:29:44
** Blackfish [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Theblindman7 sitting in seat 1 with $1008.71
- Gus75 sitting in seat 2 with $254.12
- Celtic_67 sitting in seat 5 with $149.27
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 6 with $391.50 [Dealer]

Theblindman7 posted the small blind - $2.00
Gus75 posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: 6 of Hearts, 9 of Hearts
Celtic_67 folded
johnny291281 raised - $16.00
Theblindman7 folded
Gus75 called - $16.00

** Dealing the flop: 8 of Hearts, Ace of Diamonds, 6 of Diamonds
Gus75 checked
johnny291281 bet - $22.00
Gus75 called - $22.00

** Dealing the turn: 5 of Clubs
Gus75 bet - $39.00
johnny291281 called - $39.00

** Dealing the river: Ace of Clubs
Gus75 bet - $57.00
johnny291281 folded
Gus75 mucks:
Gus75 wins $211.00 from the main pot

End of game 832000957
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Old 06-18-2006, 01:12 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Quite a few hands here Johnny. What's your PP handle? I play 200nl on party every day so I'll be on the lookout. I've been datamining a bunch lately too. Anyways ..

Whats yours? I'm lolYouFoldEZ. I float between 200 and 400NL.
My party handle is NineHighFTW, watch out suckaz.
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Ok i will see you all on party then haha. Now the tactics of you all now

How much do you play at partypoker?
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Quite a few hands here Johnny. What's your PP handle? I play 200nl on party every day so I'll be on the lookout. I've been datamining a bunch lately too. Anyways ..

Whats yours? I'm lolYouFoldEZ. I float between 200 and 400NL.
My party handle is NineHighFTW, watch out suckaz.
I'm going to c/r you with 72o if I get a chance ok? Imagine the embarrasment when I post the hand, be ready!
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Ok i will see you all on party then haha. Now the tactics of you all now

How much do you play at partypoker?
5/6 tables, 7 hours a day.
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