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Old 01-22-2008, 11:59 PM     Post subject: Loose/passive bets river hard #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is running like 30/15/1, he has yet to raise a flop, however i haven't seen him showdown a slowplay yet (and i get the feeling he wouldn't slowplay this board). I played a hand with him where he c/c my flop continuation bet with a FD when i had top set on a J32 board, the turn comes a flush but pairs the board, i bet again and he calls. The river is a K and i bet something like 1/3 pot (thinking that a J will call and a Flush will raise) and he calls .

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FullTiltPoker Game #4958307: Table Ariba (6 max) - $3/$6 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:46:14 ET - 2008/01/22
Seat 1: Mizzles ($576.10), is sitting out
Seat 2: ThaiBlonde ($582)
Seat 3: Liquid_Club ($732.20)
Seat 4: 8fenw1ck ($591.30)
Seat 5: Massimo ($1,930.75)
Seat 6: raytech ($281.85)
raytech posts the small blind of $3
ThaiBlonde posts the big blind of $6
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Massimo [8d Kd]
Mizzles stands up
Liquid_Club calls $6
8fenw1ck folds
Massimo raises to $27
raytech folds
ThaiBlonde calls $21
raytech has been disconnected
Liquid_Club calls $21
raytech has reconnected
*** FLOP *** [Ah 8c 9c]
ThaiBlonde checks
Liquid_Club checks
Massimo bets $65
ThaiBlonde folds
Liquid_Club calls $65
*** TURN *** [Ah 8c 9c] [Qs]
Liquid_Club checks
Massimo checks
*** RIVER *** [Ah 8c 9c Qs] [3d]
Liquid_Club bets $214
Massimo has requested TIME

I think if the turn isn't a Q this is a lot easier.
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:05 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 what would you do if you had accidentally checked the turn with AA here?
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:46 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 well i beat AQ, QQ, and an unlikely slowplay so i'd shove.
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:51 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 Also haven't seen him reraise yet just fyi... although he could have when i wasn't paying attention.
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Old 01-23-2008, 01:04 AM #5 (permalink)  
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At first glance vs a weak passive player it looks like he missed a check raise on the turn and is trying to make up for it with an overbet on the river.

I don't expect players with low af's to bluff at missed draws esp oop & often if they do do it, they bet too small - trying to bluff for cheap, whereas aggressive players will bet too much.

Without more reads I fold vs a 1 af, probably even if I had an Ace - is that weak? (& I wouldn't try shove him off anything)
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Old 01-23-2008, 01:46 AM #6 (permalink)  
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doesnt rly matter loosepassives r often retards in this spot its def better getting better odds id prob fold but who cares
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 before i make a hero call in this marginal of a spot, i ask myself "Is my opponent likely beating me in this type of spot with aggression?" And if the answer is no, I normally fold. This is one of those situations.
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Old 01-23-2008, 02:43 AM #8 (permalink)  
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What makes you think there's any chance your hand is good? You described your opponent as someone who probably never bets like this as a bluff, and that's all you can beat. So fold.
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Old 01-23-2008, 02:50 AM #9 (permalink)  
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What makes you think there's any chance your hand is good? You described your opponent as someone who probably never bets like this as a bluff, and that's all you can beat. So fold.
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Old 01-23-2008, 02:17 PM #10 (permalink)  
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definitely folding, looks like JT all day.
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Old 01-23-2008, 11:33 PM #11 (permalink)  
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if he acted fast i'd call. that is a donk's standard line for a missed draw...and a few monsters, but with 15% pfr there's not many monsters.
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Old 01-24-2008, 01:55 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 he acted fast i think.
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Old 01-24-2008, 08:18 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 wait, you want to call??????????????????

at first i thought you wanted to bluff shove which also seems bad.
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Old 01-24-2008, 08:45 AM #14 (permalink)  
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 yeah i dont get it...the flush draw missed, so what
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Old 01-24-2008, 01:07 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 yeah i actually did call.

I can think of 2 hands he's v-betting that make perfect sense. Some other ones don't make sense because of certain streets but are still possibilities.
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Old 01-24-2008, 01:40 PM #16 (permalink)  
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99 & JT?
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:12 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:24 PM #18 (permalink)  
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 I don't like the flop bet size btw
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:37 PM #19 (permalink)  
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did he have JT?

another thing about this is ppl from stars are not as used to the donks floating any draw then hitting the pot button if u check the turn...i see this all the time on UB...pot is prob a value bet mostly on stars.
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