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sk8r_daniel
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03-16-2010, 09:47 PM
Post subject: Live HU Battle
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 330
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I taught my friend how to play NL holdem and Omaha over the past year and he has become quite a good short handed player. He doesn't quite understand pot odds, calling all in and the math side of things but he is a master at balancing his range and figuring out opponents betting patterns. It always turns out to be an interesting game.
Recently this hand came up and he gave me alot of crap about my turn call here. What are your thoughts?
My read is that his 3bet is complete garbage, this was due to game flow and a bit of a timing tell/bet sizing tell and it told me he really didn't have a premium hand.
After the 3bet his cbet is pretty high. He knows I like to float but I haven't done it in many sessions because he had been double/triple barreling the crap out of me so i countered by calling down light with reasonable top pair type hands. This whole session (2hrs) he hasnt double barreled once and I didn't think he would without a hand, so I thought I would float the flop and take it down on the turn.
Dealt to Hero (5000) on BTN Jh 8h
Villain (5000) post BB 50
Hero raises to 200, Villain reraises to 600, Hero calls
Flop (1200)is Th 7d 5c
villain bets 650
Hero Calls
Turn is 5h (2500)
Villain bets 1500 and has 2250 behind.
I feel like he has something but isnt terribly strong. Maybe a 5 or just a decent T. The question is, is this a bad call based on pot odds/implied odds.
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Figment
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One Pair
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Would he have 3bet you preflop with a hand like A5? If not, is this the line you think he would take with a set? It's only profitable if you think he will pay you off if you hit your flush, the 9 will look like a safe card and will likely get a call from a decent 10.
Based on your reads I'd put him on A10 which would likely fold to a heart, making the call unprofitable.
Based on my own thoughts, I'd fold the turn here because you still have 3750 behind which is plenty of room. If you make the call and miss you'll be down to 2250 at most, or you hit a J and pay off a small bet and are in worse shape. Not to mention you're not quite getting the odds to call here if he doesn't pay you off when you hit most of your outs, and some of your flush outs may be game enders if he's holding a 5.
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sk8r_daniel
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Flush
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I should probably mention that this is a cash game for 5$ and we just rebuy in $1 increments.
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Figment
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One Pair
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Oh, well then snap call lol
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sk8r_daniel
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Flush
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And yeah, he can definitely have A5 or 56 or maybe 45s. Due to his tell i thought it was highly unlikely that he had a made hand preflop. His 3 bet range is polarized from big pairs, AK to random connected hands, Ax and other crap that doesn't have much value in flat calling.
He would 3bet TT for value, but just call 77 as far as i know.
So really the only hand i'm really worried about is 57. And maybe T7. Although both are unlikely since he doesn't usually play anything past a connector.
Range on the turn bet is {45,56,57, TJ, T9, T8s, A5, and the heavily discounted overpairs and TT}
So snap call and get paid on the river?
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Figment
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One Pair
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If he'll pay you off on the flush then you're getting the odds to call if you don't put him on a full house.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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His line seems totally congruent with a nut hand so I'm surprised you think he has something weak. I think a much better line here is to raise the flop and reevaluate if he calls. The thing is he has a lot of air in his flop cbet range so you should get a lot of folds. If you feel like he is going to barrel and rarely folds postflop when he 3bets pre I would have either 4bet pre or folded.
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sk8r_daniel
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Flush
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Well he doesnt have 77, TT, JJ+ and the only hand i am losing to is 57 which is unlikely because he doesnt play 2 gappers.
I definitely see the merits in 4betting pre though. It would likely save me alot of grief.
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