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Old 06-22-2009, 03:25 PM     Post subject: line checks #1 (permalink)  
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top 5 losing hands from a 6 buyin loss over 800 hands...

my image at all these tables - very tight

Hand #1-
vill taggy, hasnt done anything unusual. he cant be drawing here can he? I have to put him on 44, TT or a bluff... (def capable of calling pre with TT)
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SB ($53.17)
BB ($55.08)
UTG ($31.75)
Button ($10.50)
Hero (MP) ($50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with ,
1 fold, Hero bets $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) , , (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.03, BB calls $3.03

Turn: ($10.31) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB raises $19, [color=#CC3333]Hero obvious shove? is there any other way to play this hand?

Hand #2-
I know the preflop call was horrible... and the donk bet on flop not much better, but as played....
villain stand tag,
he took a stack from me about 4 orbits earlier... set over set

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Button ($50)
BB ($10)
CO ($60.48)
Hero (SB) ($50)
UTG ($41.50)
MP ($76.78)

Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Button bets $2.25, Hero calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($5.50) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $3.92, Button calls $3.92

Turn: ($13.34) (2 players)
Hero bets $9.51, Button raises to $43.83 (All-In), Hero ...

hand 3-
is it horrible opening here UTG? trying to open my ranges, bot sure that I should be UTG
I did know and expect callers here ,, but anyways, postflop is a good example of where I would normally fold. is that correct or another sign of my nittyness?
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BB ($113.70)
CO ($46.85)
SB ($79.66)
MP ($18.25)
Hero (UTG) ($50)
Button ($50.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with ,
Hero bets $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($8) , , (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $5.50, Button raises $12.50, 2 folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero...

Hand 4,
vill is def capable of shoving alot worse here, and I knew it when I 4bet. I also knew the other would fold. vill is a 38/19 frequently visited fish.
is the 4 bet correct?
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Button ($36.69)
BB ($35.41)
UTG ($50.50)
CO ($15.01)
MP ($14.73)
Hero (SB) ($54.99)

Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
UTG bets $2, 2 folds, Button raises $5, Hero raises $15.75, 2 folds, Button raises to $36.69 (All-In), Hero calls $20.69

hand 5-
do we ever NOT re-raise sets on a 2 toned flop?

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SB ($56.39)
Button ($29.65)
MP ($9.25)
UTG ($11.36)
Hero (BB) ($50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with ,
3 folds, SB bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4) , , (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero ..
 
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:31 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:45 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I like hand one as played. If he has 10-10 then you have to pay the man. I would flat call the turn and shove the river as played, i dont think that you will say jack 9 very often played like this. I would imagine ace ten (maybe) 44 or 10-10(probably) or an overpair. Def have to get it all in there

Hand two I hate your preflop call, i would either raise or fold IMO preflop. As played I dont mind the donkbet so long as thats your standard play. I feel that postflop lead ins from taggy players are usually draws in my experience at lower limits. I dont know what your really afraid of on the turn, he could have you outkicked, he could have flopped the full boat (unlikely), but ii think more often you would see a hand like ace/king jack here with no spades, or maybe even Ax with a spade. Im calling.

Hand three is more tricky. I actually might shove here, it really depends on the table dynamics. I dont reallty like the flat call because i think it will reveal your hand, but you cant fold to a min raise.

Hand four is standard

Hnad five youre pooping that flop and trying to get it all in. pretty standard reraise. B VS B I like to reraise a little over the pot to make it look like a resteal. Dont flat call here tho, especially with the ace on board. Thats a great flop to build the pot
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:51 PM #4 (permalink)  
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shove,fold,call,call,raise
k, played them that way except Hand 2 I called. Villain had KJ no spades, but i presume a decent tag is never shoving that turn enough without hands that don't beat me to make it a call?
ps: he rivered a full house anyway.
 
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:58 PM #5 (permalink)  
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shove,fold,call,call,raise
k, played them that way except Hand 2 I called. Villain had KJ no spades, but i presume a decent tag is never shoving that turn enough without hands that don't beat me to make it a call?
ps: he rivered a full house anyway.
Sounds to me like you played it properly, what can you do if he lucks out
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Old 06-22-2009, 04:28 PM #6 (permalink)  
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hand 1 - shove if you think he's strong.. call if you feel he's fos. You can't really screw it up too hard either way

hand 2 - I call the jam, and I don't mind the donk leads. He can be "protecting' on the turn with Jx or something even

hand 3 - Hard to screw up a hand with so much equity. Flatting is probably decent, since I don't think you have much fold equity.
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Old 06-22-2009, 05:27 PM #7 (permalink)  
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wait I got confused, we're up against button in hand 2
then probably call since he can have 76 high flushes
I was reasoning that if he was UTG he only has higher flushes and sets in his range and that he'd flat a jack

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Old 06-22-2009, 05:46 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I like hand one as played. If he has 10-10 then you have to pay the man. I would flat call the turn and shove the river as played, i dont think that you will say jack 9 very often played like this. I would imagine ace ten (maybe) 44 or 10-10(probably) or an overpair. Def have to get it all in there

Hand two I hate your preflop call, i would either raise or fold IMO preflop. As played I dont mind the donkbet so long as thats your standard play. I feel that postflop lead ins from taggy players are usually draws in my experience at lower limits. I dont know what your really afraid of on the turn, he could have you outkicked, he could have flopped the full boat (unlikely), but ii think more often you would see a hand like ace/king jack here with no spades, or maybe even Ax with a spade. Im calling.

Hand three is more tricky. I actually might shove here, it really depends on the table dynamics. I dont reallty like the flat call because i think it will reveal your hand, but you cant fold to a min raise.

Hand four is standard

Hnad five youre pooping that flop and trying to get it all in. pretty standard reraise. B VS B I like to reraise a little over the pot to make it look like a resteal. Dont flat call here tho, especially with the ace on board. Thats a great flop to build the pot
hand 3 i just checked and i didnt call, i jammed.

Hand 1 - shoved turn, vill had TT oh well
Hand 2 - called, villan had KJ and rivered a boat
Hand 3 - jammed, missed my outs (vill had 2 pair), timed all the way down b4 calling
Hand 4 - unlucky, the fish showed KK
hand 5 - gross, I called knowing damn well i shouldnt, turn was a heart and finsihed his flush. i called down 1/2-2/3 pot bets to showdown.

so aside from the poor call in hand 5, all else isnt terrible... and certainly my 6 buyin loss over 800 hands was mostly to variance...
 
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Old 06-23-2009, 12:13 AM #9 (permalink)  
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what can you do? I guess this is why god created a bankroll lol.
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