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Old 03-06-2006, 10:32 PM     Post subject: Learning 6 max, funny question #1 (permalink)  
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Let's say that I am interested in learning 6max NL.

I will learn faster/make money slower if I do NOT practice good table selection.

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Old 03-06-2006, 11:23 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Table selection is much more difficult in 6max, 'cause you can't just go for the high flop% tables like in the full ring. All the tables have high flopping %s; the table's actual character is tougher to figure out.

As import/more important is finding that one fish at whatever table you join, and take hisher stack.

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Old 03-07-2006, 01:45 PM     Post subject: Re: Learning 6 max, funny question #3 (permalink)  
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Let's say that I am interested in learning 6max NL.

I will learn faster/make money slower if I do NOT practice good table selection.
A point of clarification please:

1. Are you asking if, given the choice between learning faster OR making more money, which will happen sooner if I ignore table selection best practices?

OR

2. Are you suggesting that learning faster and making more money are directly related and will both happen at a faster rate if I just join random tables?

OR

3. Something else entirely.

If you could clarify or rephrase your hypothesis I would be happy to post a reply, since I find this topic interesting on a few levels.
In answer to your question... it depends...
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Old 03-07-2006, 01:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
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This may be a major problem with my approach, but I just jump on an open table preferably with high % seeing flop (I only have about 5 to choose from on my network). However, I recently realized that going for tables with low % seeing flop and low pots is actually more profitable for me because it's pretty much weak passives. I go on and raise, raise, raise. After about 20 minutes or so, they start to get upset and try to play back at me - but very weakly still and it's totally transparent. It's amazing how many times they let go of a hand even when they know I am full of it - waiting for the nuts.

So, I'm more of a jump on a table - figure out how people play - play off their weakness. I've been called weak-tight on one table while concurrently being called a fish on another on the same site. I give myself a big hug when this happens.
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I just look for tables with the biggest avg pots, although the turnover in these games are rapid, so I don't take it into too much consideration.
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Old 03-07-2006, 08:02 PM     Post subject: Re: Learning 6 max, funny question #6 (permalink)  
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Let's say that I am interested in learning 6max NL.

I will learn faster/make money slower if I do NOT practice good table selection.
A point of clarification please:
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3. Something else entirely.

If you could clarify or rephrase your hypothesis I would be happy to post a reply, since I find this topic interesting on a few levels.
OK, it goes without saying that table selection is important for making money. 6 max or anywhere else. I am not interested in table selection per se, because frankly, it bores me. I would certainly learn it if I was trying to make a living or half living (living dead?) playing.

I don't WANT to practice table selection because I don't have time, and I am only playing 25NL 6max...

The question: Will I learn how to PLAY (NL 6max)
a) faster
b) slower
c) the same

If I do NOT bother with table selection at all. Assume I do not care what my BB/Hour is at all, I just want to get better so I can move up to a real limit.
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i guess theoretically you'd learn faster, 'cause you'd get more hands in by not waiting.

But I also guess theoretically you'd learn slower, because you'd be at a different kind of table for each sit, starting from square one as it were.

If you restrict yourself to a specific kind of table, you'll be playing the same basic strat every session, so you'll master that strat faster.
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Old 03-07-2006, 08:12 PM #8 (permalink)  
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At 25nl, people shuffle in and out so fast selecting a table probably won't make much of a difference... just grab one and play.

However once you get to the mid stakes (200nl+), the difference b/w table selection and not is often the difference between a good night and a break even one. My take on table selection is that it is just as important to realize when you can put your money on a better table giving up on a tough table as it is picking a good one from the beginning.

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However once you get to the mid stakes (200nl+), the difference b/w table selection and not is often the difference between a good night and a break even one. My take on table selection is that it is just as important to realize when you can put your money on a better table giving up on a tough table as it is picking a good one from the beginning.

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Hmmm. I better revisit this before I move up to 200NL. Are you using PT to track a table for a period and then selecting or are you manually watching? How long before you sit at a table where you know nobody from prior? I have a time slot from 11pm to 1am to play each night...I can't spend more than 20 minutes looking for a table. But if it means my profits will suffer, maybe I will have to. Any help is appreciated. Not thread-jacking, I think zenbitz would be interested in the answers as well.

To zenbitz - I think you should just jump on a table until you get to 100NL at least. You want exposure to random players until you can figure out what table types work for you.
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Old 03-16-2006, 11:46 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Ive been practicing table selection nowdays like never befor, and it even boarders onto actual player selection...

I look for high %players/flops AND as high as possible Av. Pot $.

I add myself to the waiting list, then datamine the table so when I get to sit, within 5-10 mins of PT importing I can usually see if there are any big losers on the table, and see how theyve been playing.
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