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Old 01-01-2008, 11:26 PM     Post subject: (LC) - Pokerstars built-in stats #1 (permalink)  
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So I use linux and I haven't yet succeded in setting up PT/PAHUD so the only statistics which I have access to are the Pokerstars built-in ones. I am curious if they are in the standard range and if so do they mean a loose or a tight type of game at NL25:

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 2279 hands and saw flop:
- 229 out of 442 times while in big blind (51%)
- 54 out of 442 times while in small blind (12%) (this is higher than usual its usually around 8-11%)
- 183 out of 1395 times in other positions (13%)
- a total of 466 out of 2279 (20%)
Pots won at showdown - 60 of 111 (54%) (that is pretty low its usually more like 60%)
Pots won without showdown - 365

Big session statistics at microstakes would be appreciated from winning players. I know that this situation is pretty awkward and I'm doing my best to change it but until then this is the only stat at hand.

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Old 01-01-2008, 11:57 PM #2 (permalink)  
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sounds about right. You are playing a pretty tight 6 max game or a semi-loose full ring game.
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Old 01-01-2008, 11:59 PM #3 (permalink)  
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6-max, thx for the feedback
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:10 AM #4 (permalink)  
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actually i think ive misread it. I took your total percentage to mean VPIP when actually it will be an overestimate of that since its counting the times you check in the blind. It looks more like a pretty tight full ring game and a super tight 6 max game. Its a small sample size though and im not 100% sure what the stats actually count.
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:23 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Yeah but when I voluntarily put $ in pot in the form of a PFR or 3-bet and take the blinds / the pot preflop then its not going to count. So I dont know if its an over- or an underestimate. Pretty meaningless stat I guess, but would be interested in one of these session stats just to know approximately if I'm playing tight or loose, agressive or passive etc.
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:27 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Pots won without showdown - 365 -> most of that are probably blind steals (which doesnt count in seen flop%, only in VPIP)
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 Since they only keep track of flops saw its hard to gauge what your vpip is. The only stat on there that is semi useful is won at showdown. But i mean its such a small sample even then its hard to really read too much into it. If you're saw flops % is under 20 and your won at showdown is reasonable you're probably not spewing too bad. I honestly wouldn't worry about stats until you manage to get poker tracker working and even then it shouldn't be your main concern.



 
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:56 PM #8 (permalink)  
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it is actually not such a small sample, I played like 12k hands, and corrected this one-session stat in parentheses where I usually see different values or a wider range of values. Probably in the longterm the seen flop % for a given VPIP at a given level (NL25) will approximately converge to some constant value because you play with the same player-base. So anyone with a session stat with more than 1k hands?
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Old 01-02-2008, 05:49 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I cant believe there is nobody out there playing NL25 on stars :P
5$ for the first one to paste an 1K + session stat who is also a winning player?
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Old 01-02-2008, 06:23 PM #10 (permalink)  
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You mean these stats?
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Oh shit just read the thread obv you don't mean these stats.

Next time I do a session (probs 50NL though) I'll check for you.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:30 PM #12 (permalink)  
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thank you very much. I know this is somewhat ridiculous but what can I do? :P
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:41 AM #13 (permalink)  
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Old 01-03-2008, 03:14 PM     Post subject: Re: (LC) - Pokerstars built-in stats #14 (permalink)  
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So I use linux and I haven't yet succeded in setting up PT
I presume that you're running Pokerstars by using Wine?

Well, Wine runs PT too. You have to install MDAC first (via Wine naturally) and then install PT using the same method. It works fine.

Check out the Wine app. DB for full instructions
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Old 01-03-2008, 03:21 PM #15 (permalink)  
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until you get it fixed...

i run about 10% of pots won w/o SD. meaning 365 is high compared to me. this number almost never varies. i'm not saying its good, just that its very consistent.

and my SD numbers will bounce around depending on the session.

but, yeah, get that PT up ASAP. using only what stars provides sucks.
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Old 01-03-2008, 06:00 PM     Post subject: Re: (LC) - Pokerstars built-in stats #16 (permalink)  
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So I use linux and I haven't yet succeded in setting up PT
I presume that you're running Pokerstars by using Wine?

Well, Wine runs PT too. You have to install MDAC first (via Wine naturally) and then install PT using the same method. It works fine.

Check out the Wine app. DB for full instructions
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...estingId=15515
It doesnt look like it does work. Yes I use wine. Have you succeded in setting it up in linux? If so with what distribution and what version of wine did you use?
I can only think of emulating windows with a tool like vmware or qemu, and then it would be EZ. The truth is that I am fucking lazy. :P
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Old 01-04-2008, 09:21 AM #17 (permalink)  
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 Hmm, my mistake if this is the case.

I run PT over XP on my main PC but I've just acquired a laptop on which I'm running Xubuntu - I'll try and give it a go this weekend and post back results here.
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Pretty small sesh...

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 785 hands and saw flop:
- 49 out of 148 times while in big blind (33%)
- 19 out of 147 times while in small blind (12%)
- 52 out of 490 times in other positions (10%)
- a total of 120 out of 785 (15%)
Pots won at showdown - 13 of 28 (46%)
Pots won without showdown - 110

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thanky you very much!
thats NL50 right? It seems that I am a bit looser, whats your VPIP/PFR, just to know if I should consider tightening my game or if it's allright? Also your flops seen from BB is significantly less. Maybe I am overvalueing position in SB vs. BB battles? I like to call standard raises in BB with position with pretty weak hands, is this a serious mistake? Or maybe you were just playing in more agressive games...
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thanky you very much!
thats NL50 right? It seems that I am a bit looser, whats your VPIP/PFR, just to know if I should consider tightening my game or if it's allright? Also your flops seen from BB is significantly less. Maybe I am overvalueing position in SB vs. BB battles? I like to call standard raises in BB with position with pretty weak hands, is this a serious mistake? Or maybe you were just playing in more agressive games...
A bigger sample...


2000 hands played and saw flop:
- 42 times out of 373 while in small blind (11%)
- 132 times out of 377 while in big blind (35%)
- 126 times out of 1250 in other positions (10%)
- a total of 300 times out of 2000 (15%)

Pots won at showdown - 44 out of 74 (59%)
Pots won without showdown - 270


I usually play around 19/16.

I rarely just call in the BB, unless I have a hand like a PP vs. an early position raiser, or a habitual cbettor raises from late position, or the raise comes from the SB. It looks like you are maybe calling too much from the BB?

I guess I try and play as tight as profitably possible since I'm always going for more tables
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I hate to call OOP so I guess maybe the NL25 tables are somewhat more passive. Against SB I call with like top 50% of hands against a raise.

Yesterday I downloaded PT to a PC which had Windows on it and fed it a very small sample of my hands at NL25 (<1000 hands). I think I was like 21/18 or something like that, is that OK at this level?
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Old 01-09-2008, 07:36 AM     Post subject: Re: (LC) - Pokerstars built-in stats #22 (permalink)  
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So I use linux and I haven't yet succeded in setting up PT
I presume that you're running Pokerstars by using Wine?

Well, Wine runs PT too. You have to install MDAC first (via Wine naturally) and then install PT using the same method. It works fine.

Check out the Wine app. DB for full instructions
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...estingId=15515
It doesnt look like it does work. Yes I use wine. Have you succeded in setting it up in linux? If so with what distribution and what version of wine did you use?
I can only think of emulating windows with a tool like vmware or qemu, and then it would be EZ. The truth is that I am fucking lazy. :P
I found some promising threads on the poker tracker forums about this but it seems that everyone runs into the same problem with the prodct ID. I bumped one of the threads to see if there was an update but nothing. I'll keep an eye on this but for now I'm going to dual-boot my laptop with XP
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