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Fnord
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07-20-2008, 06:20 PM
Post subject: Laydown, watzzat?
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Opponent seems kinda tight, passive and straight forward. I stacked him an orbit ago with Deuces vs his KK when he called my c/r on a drawy, raggy flop and rest went in when top pair paired. Maybe he has it in for me? My spidey sense said he flopped the joint.
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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6 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($44.80)
UTG+1 ($202.60)
CO ($73.00)
BTN ($212.20)
Hero ($470.05)
BB ($208.35)
Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is SB  
UTG calls $2, 3 folds, Hero calls $1, BB checks
Flop:    ($6, 3 players)
Hero bets $4, BB calls $4, 1 fold
Turn:  ($14, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, BB raises to $36, Hero calls $24
River:  ($86, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $68
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Ash256
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Isn't the flopped joint really the only thing he is repping here? On that basis I'd look him up.
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bair
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Originally Posted by Ash256
Isn't the flopped joint really the only thing he is repping here? On that basis I'd look him up.
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and all sets, fold
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ATOTHEC101
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villain is kinda passive and str8 forward, he isnt betting sets on this river. He is literally only repping 67...but i still fold as thats probably what he has.
edit: could also have turned some weird combo draw like j10 clubs and that also got there on the river making it even more of a fold in my mind.
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agree with atothec101 but I use his logic to make a call.
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Fnord
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Should I re-raise the turn?
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play it the same and fold the river. if he has it in for you and tried to make a (pretty decent) semibluff on the turn, he probably got there. Youre only good if he turned a made hand into a bluff (this would also be a good spot for him to do that) but I think that is far less likely than a connected semibluff or flopped joint
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play it the same and fold the river.
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what kind of bet do u call on the river?
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Irisheyes
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I'm kinda confused by this now. The read makes me think that he either slowplayed the flop or the turn actually improved his hand.
Possible flop slowplays are sets, straight and 2 pair. I find it hard to believe that this guy would either semibluff TJ/clubs or value raise 2 pair on the turn so I'm leaning towards A5/A9/67/55/99. Another possibility is that he called the flop with A high and is now raising because his hand improved.
On the river I'm gonna make a leap and say he cant value bet thin so sets and all 2 pairs are out. His VB range is probably flushes and straights and given that I dont think he semibluffs the turn much and even if he did he got there, I guess fold.
tbh I've come full circle and I think we could muck the turn without fretting too much.
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Fnord
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tbh I've come full circle and I think we could muck the turn without fretting too much.
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Do we think our 4 outs are clean?
How often is he checking a worse hand behind on the river?
I'm a pretty big fan of not peeling raises light and thought this was a pretty good spot to peel.
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Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
tbh I've come full circle and I think we could muck the turn without fretting too much.
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Do we think our 4 outs are clean?
How often is he checking a worse hand behind on the river?
I'm a pretty big fan of not peeling raises light and thought this was a pretty good spot to peel. |
Well I think we can call them 3 outs at least.
Probably a lot.
My big problem is that his value raising range is actually pretty strong and given the read his bluff raising range is pretty small. So do we just fold every club/7/Q? Do we expect him to follow up on a blank? Do we expect him to bet A5/AJ on a blank? There's a lot of tough decisions on lots of rivers and it's hard for us to get value on our own terms.
Maybe I'm way wrong, I'm pretty tired atm.
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Genitruc
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this seems like a rly rly rly close fold imo
edit : actually, since i think it s a fold maybe it s not close lol
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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