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Old 07-17-2007, 11:26 AM     Post subject: Laydown 1010 no overcards 200nl? paired board #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($200)
Button ($237.30)
SB ($199)
BB ($195.25)
Hero ($603.55)
MP ($195.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T.
Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, Button calls $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($19) 7, 4, 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14, Button calls $14, BB raises to $38, Hero ??


I've been raising a lot PF, but never out of line post flop. yeti theorum time? who raises, who lays down?
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Old 07-17-2007, 11:39 AM #2 (permalink)  
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do you have any stats on both players?
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:31 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I do not use HUD stats or study players in pokertracker

i've been considering aceHUD lately, but haven't bothered. I think learning pure instinct, reading, mental detail notes has been great for me. But at this point the HUD stuff might help.

nobody at the table seemed especially out of line, but I was 4 tabling and didn't notice people I hadn't tangled with much, which was neither of these guys.

sometimes up 3 buyins I wonder if imagewise people think you are just trying to push the table around, but if they did use HUD I was 22/13 or so
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:10 PM #4 (permalink)  
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If they dont know me too well I raise

I played a similiar hand yesterday (albeit at lower level) Had JJ on 775 rainbow, I C-bet first guy called and last dude (in pos though) re-raised, I was like no way you're raising if you've got a 7 in this spot!!
I would of pushed but 1st caller worried me so I just raised he folded and last dude called, then that worried me but I pushed (donk move actually) a blank 2 turn & was called by A5?? Wtf - I didnt play to well but point is he didnt have 7 & they don't usually.

Anyway if dude in pos did this its usually a bluff, this check raise scenario looks a little more dubious - like hes definitely repping the 7 but still giving 56 odds?
(Which doesn't make sense.)
So I raise almost sure he doesn't have a 7, at worst he has 444 and he's hoping someone does have a 7 -but very very unlikely, he could wait for turn.

Nice stack for your first shots at 200 NL.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:26 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I think I call because of position. I'm not that worried of button, he can easily have any pair TT- here. A fold is too weak imo.
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Old 07-17-2007, 06:47 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I think i reraise here. I think a lot of the time this is villain fighting back at your cbet and trying to take down the pot.

It gets tricky if he just calls though. Then what? Do we continue on the turn? Is this a sure sign of a 7 and we give up?

The problem with just calling is, hes sure to put in a good size bet on the turn and then what do you do?
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Old 07-17-2007, 08:32 PM     Post subject: Re: Laydown 1010 no overcards 200nl? paired board #7 (permalink)  
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Flop: ($19) 7, 4, 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14, Button calls $14, BB raises to $38, Hero ??


I've been raising a lot PF, but never out of line post flop. yeti theorum time? who raises, who lays down?

first of all raise 4xBB PF.

easy fold as played. remember this guy is also raising the guy who called you too!! the guy that called you has called on a very very dry board then someone has raised the pair of you's. easy fold, this aint yeti theorem which is primarily HU and opp needs to be a good solid thinking player or at least have 2 or the 3 abilities.

This is almost never a call or shove/reraise
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:25 AM #8 (permalink)  
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yep, I really felt this was a fold and wanted a sanity check considering I'm new to 200nL

actually I had the raiser beat, he ended up pushing a rag turn with 99, but button was being tricky with KK and stacked him.

For me it was really the fact that 3 people were in the pot made me think my hand was no good considering one called and one re-raised.
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