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minSim
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02-01-2009, 08:11 PM
Post subject: KQ ip turned OESD, barrel against wide but stationy range?
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4-of-a-Kind
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Villain played 58/16/0.7 over 73 hands. I had tangled quite a bit with him with me on the BTN and he being OOP limp/calling and me basically cbetting and giving up if not won. He had a low fold to cbet of 31.
When we turn the OESD with overs and a scare card hitting, is this an easy turn bet against villains widish range?
Or are we happily checking behind because it's not that great a card and villain is stationish?
If I bet the turn, should I be intending to bet blank rivers big when checked to?
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ATOTHEC101
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check back the turn.
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kmind
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Check the flop
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minSim
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Originally Posted by kmind
Check the flop
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You sure? I'd think my cbet(size) is profitable here and I'm still winning against draws at showdown sometimes because he'll like never get aggressive with them.
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Da GOAT
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yea vs this guy ch that flop
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Galapogos
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I c-bet this flop, vs a range this wide and two overs and a guy that won't turn a failed gutshot or FD into a bluff on the river.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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griffey24
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If we're betting this flop, then I'd bet this turn too. I don't mind betting this turn, since we're not drawing to the nuts so we don't mind getting c/r'd here.
If we had KxQc or something, I'd like checking more, since we don't really wanna get c/r.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Parasurama
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by kmind
Check the flop
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This, he has a low fold to cbet and this isn't that great of a flop to cbet anyway
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minSim
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Interesting that you'd bet griffey.
I'm with the check behind camp, because I think we'll get called by all sorts of marginal hands that also won't pay us off when we hit.
Also because of that, I'd think that if we want to bet turn, a 3rd barrel on a blank river would be profitable.
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griffey24
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Sorry just noticed villain is a donkfest, in which case I check here.
Against other regs/tags etc I probably bet this turn though, for the same reasons I mentioned above. No point betting if this particular player is never folding.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Da GOAT
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yup clearly its a check since opp is a donk
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Renton
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easy flop bet, easy turn check, easy not posting 5 threads simultaneously
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