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03-22-2008, 08:26 PM
Post subject: KK flop decision in 3 way pot
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only 5 hands on each, so nothing significant. cristi has called 2 raises in a row and ive taken both pots down w/ cbets.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
BB ($46.10)
Hero ($101.55)
MP ($99.75)
Button ($47.35)
SB ($25.30)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K , K .
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50.
Flop: ($6) T, 8, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $4.25, SB calls $4.25, BB raises to $15, Hero ???
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meeloche
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Use the bet max button.
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EzDuzIt
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yeah. also calling one of them cristi when we see them as bb sb ect doesnt help us lol.
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microgrinder
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Raisy daisy! Especially given their stack sizes.
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nutsinho
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fold
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will641
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if this were HU i would prolly say shove, but since its 3 way, you are beat or flipping a lot here vs 1 or both players.
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kmind
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I would fold as well. I don't think anything you beat uses this line...
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bode
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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
yeah. also calling one of them cristi when we see them as bb sb ect doesnt help us lol.
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sorry. cristi = BB. i wasnt going to convert it at first.
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bode
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i folded after timing down a bit. But after thinking about it im flipping at best here imo and shoving is kinda spew.
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meeloche
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I dunno you're giving short stacks credit at small stakes which I don't really like. Especially since they are both unknowns. For me they have to earn their credit before I fold strong hands to them.
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nutsinho
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the check-raiser is not a shortstack, he started with 92bb
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bode
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yeah, BB was pretty much a full stack.
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microgrinder
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Originally Posted by bode
yeah, BB was pretty much a full stack.
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Ahhh my condolences I thought it was 100NL.
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Roel
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You fold KK here when u raised and cbet 3 pots in a row and someone finally plays back at you?
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
If he's not calling my shove, I'm done with it.
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bode
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Originally Posted by Roel
You fold KK here when u raised and cbet 3 pots in a row and someone finally plays back at you?
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yes. your point?
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nutsinho
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Originally Posted by Roel
You fold KK here when u raised and cbet 3 pots in a row and someone finally plays back at you?
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with 2 players already putting in action on flop its going to be really hard for someone to think its a good time to bluff given board texture. this is a miserable flop to cbet without a hand, so he'd be c/ring into two ostensibly decent to good hands. im not saying kk is never good here but its equity looks pretty bad, considering its a dog to a bunch of draws like A9dd and all of the two pair and set possibilities are fairly likely to be within BB's range.
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Roel
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Ah didn't see SB making the call there as well. Mweh. U guys are prolly right.
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
If he's not calling my shove, I'm done with it.
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griffey24
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This is really really opponent dependent.
A lot of posts here are saying that we must be beat, villain is raising two players. But this is also exactly why this is a perfect spot for a squeeze on this flop (especially with a hand like T9, 89 or FD).
If I was villain I would probably be jamming my draw in this spot, cause I know its hard for both players to continue.
That being said, he probably either has you owned hard with two pair/set or is drawing very live with a combo draw or some kind of FD. I don't think a fold here is awful in this SA/WB spot.
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The third raise in a row almost always gets played back at. I'm felting here and not feeling bad about it.
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bode
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Originally Posted by Warpe
The third raise in a row almost always gets played back at. I'm felting here and not feeling bad about it.
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i didnt say i had raised 3 times in a row, just that BB had called both times i raised and she was at the table.
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wufwugy
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Fold?
BB is unknown, seems to play too many pots, and could be playing off perceived hero image. SB is short. Are we folding in a HU pot? No? Well SB being a short and passive doesn't change much there. It's not like BB's planned c/r range is tightening up much once SB calls. We could even be up against two draws or pick up some dead money from SB or something. QQ JJ 99 KQ yadda yadda cannot be discounted from BB's range. It's a bitch to play against unknowns sometimes.
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bode
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does this range look any good at all?
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
57,420 games 0.005 secs 11,484,000 games/sec
Board: Td 8c 7d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.488% 52.52% 00.97% 30158 555.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 46.512% 45.55% 00.97% 26152 555.00 { AcAd, AdAh, AhAs, QQ-TT, 88-77, AcQc, AdQd, AdJd, AcTc, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, QJs, J9s, T9s, AcTd, AcTh, AcTs, AdTh, AdTs, AhTs, A9o }
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Roel
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Any 87(s), 99? But other than that i think it's quite ok.
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
If he's not calling my shove, I'm done with it.
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bode
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Originally Posted by Roel
Any 87(s), 99? But other than that i think it's quite ok.
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adding those plus T8s and maybe T7s and its right about 50/50. Does this make it a call with the dead money?
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