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Silly String
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09-19-2007, 07:53 PM
Post subject: KK but TP pairs board
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Full House
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Villain is a total loose fish. 75/25 and has tried to stack off with overs earlier, but hit an Ace. He also flopped a straight vs. a KK's normal raise with 98o. I have never seen him raise 7x PF before.
What is standard when your big flop bet is called and the turn pairs the TP?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
Button ($53.80)
SB ($33.55)
BB ($83.75)
Hero ($50)
MP ($77.90)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with  ,  .
Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, BB raises to $3.5, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $6.50.
Flop: ($20.25)  ,  ,  (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB calls $12.
Turn: ($44.25)  (2 players)
BB checks, Hero???
Final Pot: $16.25
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Robert
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Against an unknown I would often check the turn and get allin on the river. Against this guy I would happily stick the rest in on the turn though (you only little more than a ½potsized bet left) - if he's as loose as you say he will call with any 9, TT/JJ and possibly 88/77/66 and JT (straight draw) plus the pot is big enough to justify an allin even if he folds a decent amount of the time.
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WildBobAA
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I'm checking behind and calling/value betting river.
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Miffed22001
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bet/fold anyone?
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Ash256
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
bet/fold anyone?
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But doesn't the queen usually call for deception and anything worse fold?
I hate this spot, best I can think of is check behind and call up to 1/2 pot on river.
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Robert
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Guys, the pot is 44 and hero only has 28 left on the turn
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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i would make small turn and river bets against this opponent, since i doubt he would fold a hand like 9-x if he is getting a great price to call on both streets.
I think against a weak opponent i would check turn/bet river, but against a smart opponent i like shoving the turn.
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Ash256
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
i would make small turn and river bets against this opponent, since i doubt he would fold a hand like 9-x if he is getting a great price to call on both streets.
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DING-DING-DING.
lol ty Robert, didn't notice that.
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snowbird4life
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check the turn and call/value bet river.
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Halv
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I'd just stick it in right now.
That's not a "big flop bet" btw, I'd make it 17 or so.
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Chopper
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i cant see us getting away from this hand. time for valuecity. something like $12?
heres a question, though: what cards scare US on the river? an A?
does that make us shut down?
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
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Silly String
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Originally Posted by HalvSame
I'd just stick it in right now.
That's not a "big flop bet" btw, I'd make it 17 or so.
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I 3bet light often enough that I try to make my standard c-bet size 2/3rds pot. This time I wanted a call from the loose fish so I probably dropped the bet a couple BBs. If I stick it in, am I getting called by worse hands? If no, than am I pushing any better hands off?
It sounds like people think we don't have a choice but to get it all in here. I don't know how I feel about that. Granted it is a 3bet pot and I have put 1/2 of my stack in the middle before the turn, but I still have 1/2 of my stack to protect right? I also feel any bet will commit us. So now it comes down to check behind and give up a free river or bet(value or push) and commit ourselves. What is standard here? How about vs. a standard TAG? What about a float capable sLAG or sTAG? Vs. a nit, I assume this is a chk/fold 100% of the time?
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Silly String
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FWIW, I pushed the turn because I figured it I would have to call a push from the player as a possible bluff. He folded and I never saw a showdown.
I'm guessing I should have given him the rope to hang himself b/c I doubt I can push a better hand off his holding here, but I might make more from a bluff.
I think my line was the worst of the possibilities(value bet, push, c/c, c/f). I make the least from a 2nd best hand, and I lose the most from better hands.
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bode
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bet $15 on the flop, you would have less than 1/2 psb so pushing the turn becomes the only real option imo
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mixchange
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you played it fine, but I bet more on the flop, make it $18. that sets up a turn pot that makes a turn push be a smaller bet.
I don't like a turn check, plenty of stuff can peel off on the river to beat us or kill action.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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definitely like a turn shove. It's not like your folding the river anyway...
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wouterpoker
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what about raising bigger preflop here to about 13? or is it normal to make this "smaller" 3-bet here to keep the fish in the pot? raising more preflop and on the flop leads to an easy turn shove.
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Genitruc
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insta ship all in and laugh when you are snap-called by AA and a ton of other pairs
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Miffed22001
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if we bet 18 on flop we cant fold turn anyway with out stack versus pot size.
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