KK against shorty

**apunisher** · 08-13-2006 05:35 AM

***** Hand History for Game 4937738948 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 13, 01:32:15 ET 2006
Table Monster #1287521 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: padlojo ( $55.30 )
Seat 6: im2sexy_ ( $155.41 )
Seat 1: AATrain01 ( $118.59 )
Seat 4: Notorious_MC ( $69 )
Seat 5: dogpound20 ( $17 )
Seat 2: derf367 ( $29 )
AATrain01 posts small blind [$0.50].
derf367 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AATrain01 [ Kd Kc ]
padlojo folds.
Notorious_MC folds.
dogpound20 folds.
>You have options at Monster #1287517 Table!.
im2sexy_ folds.
AATrain01 raises [$2.50].
derf367 calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, 9c, 4h ]
>You have options at Monster #1287369 Table!.
AATrain01 bets [$4].
derf367 calls [$4].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
AATrain01 checks.
derf367 bets [$5].
>You have options at Monster #1287581 Table!.
AATrain01 raises [$22].
derf367 is all-In [$17]
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]

**Renton** · 08-13-2006 05:43 AM

raise more preflop

I probably bet/fold this on the turn, not being results oriented.

**apunisher** · 08-13-2006 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Renton

raise more preflop

I probably bet/fold this on the turn, not being results oriented.

wouldnt i be pot committed on turn if i bet, especially if i raised to 4 pf instead of 3 and given his stack size??

**Renton** · 08-13-2006 06:13 AM

i dunno its tough,

the turn is a horrible card for you.

BTW the more you raise pf, the more you can get all in after the flop and not care if you won or lost.

**aislephive** · 08-13-2006 07:36 AM

I would raise bigger preflop to about $3.50-4 total, and bet 3/4 pot on the flop. The turn is a shitty card but I don't see folding as a viable option here given stack sizes. I would bet/call or check-raise all in if I thought he would bet. Looks ok though.

**natdang** · 08-13-2006 09:17 AM

My standard pfr at stars 100NL is 4x, and i rarely deviate from that, except for perhaps raising it a bit if I have fishy limpers hanging around. I would expect that to be the minimum at a party monster table as well.

I agree with aislephive, there's no way I'm getting away from this, I lead all streets and call any raises. He's a shorty, I tend to get shorties all in quite often.

**mcatdog** · 08-13-2006 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by natdang

He's a shorty, I tend to get shorties all in quite often.

all day

**CavemanWins** · 08-13-2006 05:23 PM

Can't this depend on the type of shorty? Most shorties I have played with are usually horrible. And call alot. The other type of shorty, which I have only seen a few times, is the push or fold shorty.

If you think the guy might call, push preflop.

But I suppose this is read dependant and not answering the hand question; I would push the flop with this hand. Don't let them get lucky; Make them try to get lucky.

08-13-2006 05:35 AM #1
apunisher View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2006 Posts 396	KK against shorty *** Hand History for Game 4937738948 * $100 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 13, 01:32:15 ET 2006 Table Monster #1287521 (Real Money) Seat 6 is the button Total number of players : 6 Seat 3: padlojo ( $55.30 ) Seat 6: im2sexy_ ( $155.41 ) Seat 1: AATrain01 ( $118.59 ) Seat 4: Notorious_MC ( $69 ) Seat 5: dogpound20 ( $17 ) Seat 2: derf367 ( $29 ) AATrain01 posts small blind [$0.50]. derf367 posts big blind [$1]. Dealing down cards Dealt to AATrain01 [ Kd Kc ] padlojo folds. Notorious_MC folds. dogpound20 folds. >You have options at Monster #1287517 Table!. im2sexy_ folds. AATrain01 raises [$2.50]. derf367 calls [$2]. Dealing Flop [ Jh, 9c, 4h ] >You have options at Monster #1287369 Table!. AATrain01 bets [$4]. derf367 calls [$4]. Dealing Turn [ 9h ] AATrain01 checks. derf367 bets [$5]. >You have options at Monster #1287581 Table!. AATrain01 raises [$22]. derf367 is all-In [$17] Dealing River ** [ 7d ]

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08-13-2006 05:43 AM #2
Renton View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 7,472 Location Atlanta, GA, USA	raise more preflop I probably bet/fold this on the turn, not being results oriented.

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08-13-2006 05:58 AM #3
apunisher View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2006 Posts 396	Originally Posted by Renton raise more preflop I probably bet/fold this on the turn, not being results oriented. wouldnt i be pot committed on turn if i bet, especially if i raised to 4 pf instead of 3 and given his stack size??

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08-13-2006 06:13 AM #4
Renton View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 7,472 Location Atlanta, GA, USA	i dunno its tough, the turn is a horrible card for you. BTW the more you raise pf, the more you can get all in after the flop and not care if you won or lost.

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08-13-2006 07:36 AM #5
aislephive View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 1,549 Location Downswinging holla!	I would raise bigger preflop to about $3.50-4 total, and bet 3/4 pot on the flop. The turn is a shitty card but I don't see folding as a viable option here given stack sizes. I would bet/call or check-raise all in if I thought he would bet. Looks ok though.

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08-13-2006 09:17 AM #6
natdang View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 375 Location Los Angeles	My standard pfr at stars 100NL is 4x, and i rarely deviate from that, except for perhaps raising it a bit if I have fishy limpers hanging around. I would expect that to be the minimum at a party monster table as well. I agree with aislephive, there's no way I'm getting away from this, I lead all streets and call any raises. He's a shorty, I tend to get shorties all in quite often.

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08-13-2006 09:19 AM #7
mcatdog View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 4,660 Location med school	Originally Posted by natdang He's a shorty, I tend to get shorties all in quite often. all day

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08-13-2006 05:23 PM #8
CavemanWins View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 68 Location Atlanta, Ga USA	Can't this depend on the type of shorty? Most shorties I have played with are usually horrible. And call alot. The other type of shorty, which I have only seen a few times, is the push or fold shorty. If you think the guy might call, push preflop. But I suppose this is read dependant and not answering the hand question; I would push the flop with this hand. Don't let them get lucky; Make them try to get lucky.

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