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02-03-2006, 09:38 PM Post subject: KK afraid of the Ace

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(6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:29:03 ET - 2006/02/03
Seat 1: cougfan13 ($148.75)
Seat 2: schuurmer ($44)
Seat 3: JBT449 ($14.30)
Seat 4: poncholoco ($27.35)
Seat 5: Stripclubjunkie ($52.50)
Seat 6: 2zriver ($29.65)
Stripclubjunkie posts the small blind of $0.25
2zriver posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stripclubjunkie [Kh Kc]
cougfan13 folds
schuurmer raises to $1.75
JBT449 folds
poncholoco calls $1.75
Stripclubjunkie raises to $5.50
2zriver folds
schuurmer folds
poncholoco calls $3.75
*** FLOP *** [8h 9c Ad]
Stripclubjunkie checks
poncholoco checks
*** TURN *** [8h 9c Ad] [Qd]
Stripclubjunkie bets $0.50
How much should I bet here???
poncholoco raises to $1
Stripclubjunkie calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [8h 9c Ad Qd] [4s]
schuurmer: amatuer hour
Stripclubjunkie checks
schuurmer: minimum bets and raises
schuurmer is feeling angry
poncholoco has 15 seconds left to act
poncholoco: whoo hoo
poncholoco: go to a different ##!&ing table
poncholoco bets $4
poncholoco: big spender
Stripclubjunkie calls $4
Here I'm calling because I dont think he had the Ace
*** SHOW DOWN ***
poncholoco shows [Qs Jd] (a pair of Queens)
Stripclubjunkie shows [Kh Kc] (a pair of Kings)
Stripclubjunkie wins the pot ($22.10) with a pair of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $23.25 | Rake $1.15

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02-03-2006, 10:33 PM

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How did I play it?

Terrible.

What was your thought process here? He raised preflop. You reraised him. He cold calls. An ace hits on the flop. Where on earth do you get, "OMFG HE HAS AN ACE I KNOW IT I REALLY DO" from?

Bet the flop. Please. If he reraises or calls then you can slow down and figure out why he's still in the hand. By checking this flop you give JT, T9, Q9, 66, 77, TT, JJ, and QQ a chance to catch up to you.

Maybe he *does* have an ace, but it's a weak one. By showing so much strength preflop, and showing so much strength after the flop, maybe he'll figure his AT or AJ is no good here too. Sounds crazy, but it happens...

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02-05-2006, 01:29 PM Post subject: Re: KK afraid of the Ace

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How did I play it?

is this a joke that I can't get? Or a rhetorical question? That's a terribly played hand, and i recall u posting regularly here and i recall u r fairly competent.

I'm going to assume that you're just trying to make a point. But if i'm wrong and you actually want critique, just say so

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02-06-2006, 06:44 PM

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I think you played it fine... if you are trying to convince the table that you are clueless. WP!

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02-06-2006, 08:14 PM

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since its headsup, i see no reason to bet the flop.

i check/call turn and bet river if he checked behind on turn

02-06-2006, 09:40 PM

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gabe are you stoned

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02-06-2006, 10:57 PM

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no..whats the point in betting? there are no flushdraws, end the only real straightdraw is JT (which seems unlikely becaues of preflop. anyone that called preflop with an ace is not folding on the flop, and all small pairs are folding. a bet doesn't make money, it just loses money to an ace.

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02-07-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gabe

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02-08-2006, 11:37 AM

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I would bet because a smaller pair might take the pot from you if checked to. I dont mind the fact that only weaker hands would fold here, but only by betting are you going to determine whether you are a long way behind or a long way ahead in this spot.

gabe

02-08-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jailhousejoe

I would bet because a smaller pair might take the pot from you if checked to.

thats what you want. the only way KK is going to make money is by inducing a bluff. betting is wrong here.

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02-08-2006, 02:40 PM

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All of you who are following this thread need to read this post, by our favorite teddy bear Gabe:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=21766

This is probably my favorite post on FTR. I know you will not want to agree with it right away, but please, PLEASE, read it three more times, and then try it out a couple of times and watch the fucking approach just fucking work. To whet your whistle, Gabe's opening salvo is:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe

first hand of a sng, someone triples the blind UTG, folded around to the button where you reraise to 9x with KK. the blinds folds and UTG calls. the flopes comes Ad9s3h and villian checks.

betting this flop is incorrect.

Gabe: since the linked topic above has the hero in position on the button, how does our hero use what we learned from that thread in this situation? What still applies, and what changes because of him being SB?

In answer to your question... it depends...
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02-08-2006, 03:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alias2211

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe

This situation arrises too often when you have KK, so Gabe's post is invaluable. I don't think anyone can prove betting that flop is a better approach after reading the post. Thanks for the $$ Gabe and thanks for the link alias2211.

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02-09-2006, 02:57 PM

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thanks Gabe and Alias2211...an amazing thread with thought-provoking logic. Id never though of actually making money from QQ etc in this spot and would like to see a H/H or two. Perhaps Alias or a few more other regular members of the board could post up a few of their favorites for inclusion in the short-handed links at the top? Its a real shame stuff like that isnt stickied somehow.

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02-09-2006, 03:32 PM

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i dont think all of these are played perfectly, but good examples for the most part.
***** Hand History for Game 3394631462 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, January 18, 19:50:41 EDT 2006
Table Table 65740 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: JeniDeMoana ( $137.43 )
Seat 2: a5thedition ( $149.60 )
Seat 3: beerjug ( $247.52 )
Seat 4: galactical ( $114.90 )
Seat 5: johoden ( $100.95 )
Seat 6: cardiac777 ( $101.85 )
cardiac777 posts small blind [$0.50].
JeniDeMoana posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Ks Kh ]
a5thedition calls [$1].
beerjug calls [$1].
galactical raises [$5].
johoden folds.
cardiac777 folds.
JeniDeMoana folds.
a5thedition folds.
beerjug calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, As, 9h ]
beerjug checks.
galactical checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
beerjug checks.
galactical checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 7h ]
beerjug checks.
galactical bets [$4].
beerjug calls [$4].
galactical shows [ Ks, Kh ] two pairs, kings and nines.
beerjug doesn't show [ 4c, 7c ] two pairs, nines and sevens.
galactical wins $19.50 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and nines.

***** Hand History for Game 3413846550 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, January 21, 23:40:53 EDT 2006
Table Table 72422 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: scottd113 ( $148.20 )
Seat 2: KBalleR7 ( $84.45 )
Seat 3: bposner ( $192.45 )
Seat 4: Floozyboozy ( $123.90 )
Seat 5: loonivek ( $127.95 )
Seat 6: galactical ( $96.50 )
scottd113 posts small blind [$0.50].
KBalleR7 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Ks Kd ]
bposner calls [$1].
Floozyboozy folds.
loonivek calls [$1].
galactical raises [$5].
scottd113 folds.
KBalleR7 calls [$4].
bposner folds.
loonivek folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, 3h, Jd ]
KBalleR7 checks.
galactical checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
KBalleR7 bets [$4].
galactical calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ 7h ]
KBalleR7 checks.
galactical bets [$5].
KBalleR7 folds.

***** Hand History for Game 3407812155 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, January 21, 00:31:17 EDT 2006
Table Table 65559 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: AA_Anonymous ( $120.80 )
Seat 2: ScottyB24 ( $59.15 )
Seat 3: PsSk1119 ( $211.95 )
Seat 4: galactical ( $99.05 )
Seat 5: ReRAZeR71205 ( $61.40 )
Seat 6: eagleclaw47 ( $154.70 )
eagleclaw47 posts small blind [$0.50].
AA_Anonymous posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Ks Kc ]
ScottyB24 folds.
PsSk1119 calls [$1].
galactical raises [$4].
ReRAZeR71205 folds.
eagleclaw47 folds.
AA_Anonymous raises [$9].
PsSk1119 folds.
galactical calls [$6].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 8h, As ]
AA_Anonymous checks.
galactical checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
AA_Anonymous checks.
galactical checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]
AA_Anonymous checks.
galactical checks.
AA_Anonymous shows [ Td, Th ] two pairs, tens and nines.
galactical shows [ Ks, Kc ] two pairs, kings and nines.
galactical wins $20.45 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and nines.

***** Hand History for Game 3317704936 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, January 05, 02:28:25 EDT 2006
Table Table 69525 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: elgatito ( $111.25 )
Seat 3: rmoney777 ( $488.88 )
Seat 4: Fazzman ( $277.80 )
Seat 5: HolyBejeesus ( $195.90 )
Seat 6: galactical ( $123.90 )
Seat 2: Au_mon_dieu ( $84 )
Fazzman posts small blind [$0.50].
HolyBejeesus posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Kd Kc ]
galactical raises [$5].
elgatito folds.
Au_mon_dieu folds.
rmoney777 calls [$5].
Fazzman folds.
HolyBejeesus did not respond in time.
HolyBejeesus folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 2c, Ad ]
galactical checks.
rmoney777 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
galactical checks.
rmoney777 bets [$5].
galactical calls [$5].
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
galactical checks.
rmoney777 checks.
galactical shows [ Kd, Kc ] a pair of kings.
rmoney777 doesn't show [ 5s, 5d ] a pair of fives.
galactical wins $20.45 from the main pot with a pair of kings.

***** Hand History for Game 3487186485 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, February 03, 12:01:42 EDT 2006
Table Table 66002 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: thopan ( $88.43 )
Seat 4: imrele ( $110.05 )
Seat 3: galactical ( $251 )
Seat 5: spadememofo ( $247.55 )
Seat 1: Sircall ( $176.80 )
Seat 6: scott_fowler ( $0 )
thopan posts small blind [$1].
galactical posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Kd Ks ]
imrele folds.
spadememofo calls [$2].
scott_fowler has left the table.
Sircall folds.
thopan raises [$3].
galactical raises [$13].
spadememofo folds.
thopan calls [$11].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Ah, 2h ]
thopan checks.
galactical checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
thopan bets [$15].
galactical folds.
thopan does not show cards.
thopan wins $45.40

***** Hand History for Game 3518745222 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, February 08, 20:11:06 EDT 2006
Table Table 65662 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: sas999 ( $765.90 )
Seat 3: Finansen99 ( $849.95 )
Seat 4: mayard ( $243.95 )
Seat 5: ihatepartyp ( $616.15 )
Seat 6: galactical ( $424.50 )
Seat 1: luckyx07 ( $768.80 )
mayard posts small blind [$2].
ihatepartyp posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Kh Kc ]
galactical raises [$14].
luckyx07 folds.
sas999 folds.
Finansen99 folds.
mayard folds.
ihatepartyp calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, 9s, 8c ]
ihatepartyp checks.
galactical checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
ihatepartyp bets [$25].
galactical calls [$25].
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
ihatepartyp bets [$75].
galactical folds.
ihatepartyp does not show cards.
ihatepartyp wins $152

***** Hand History for Game 3384433468 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 16, 21:37:05 EDT 2006
Table Table 74046 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: galactical ( $396.15 )
Seat 3: allwaysaces ( $127.75 )
Seat 6: MrTightness7 ( $42.70 )
Seat 5: MatalongeHC ( $229.82 )
Seat 4: soulR383L ( $168.64 )
Seat 1: DAVIDK55 ( $85.15 )
soulR383L posts small blind [$1].
MatalongeHC posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Qc Qs ]
>You have options at Table 65619 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
MrTightness7 calls [$2].
DAVIDK55 raises [$4].
galactical raises [$17].
allwaysaces folds.
soulR383L folds.
MatalongeHC folds.
MrTightness7 folds.
DAVIDK55 calls [$13].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, 6d, 9c ]
DAVIDK55 checks.
galactical checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
DAVIDK55 checks.
galactical checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
DAVIDK55 checks.
galactical bets [$15].
DAVIDK55 calls [$15].
galactical shows [ Qc, Qs ] a pair of queens.
DAVIDK55 doesn't show [ Th, 7s ] a pair of sevens.
galactical wins $66 from the main pot with a pair of queens.

***** Hand History for Game 3452792881 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, January 28, 15:23:43 EDT 2006
Table Table 66837 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: galactical ( $206.95 )
Seat 4: AABowDownAA ( $23.03 )
Seat 5: rapid13111 ( $332.30 )
Seat 1: Rakefrossa ( $385.45 )
rapid13111 posts small blind [$1].
Rakefrossa posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Qh Qc ]
galactical raises [$7].
AABowDownAA folds.
rapid13111 calls [$6].
Rakefrossa folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ks, 2h, 7c ]
rapid13111 checks.
galactical checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
rapid13111 bets [$15].
galactical calls [$15].
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
rapid13111 checks.
galactical checks.
rapid13111 shows [ Qd, Jc ] a pair of sevens.
galactical shows [ Qh, Qc ] two pairs, queens and sevens.
galactical wins $44 from the main pot with two pairs, queens and sevens.

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