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Vi-Zer0Skill
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07-30-2009, 09:11 AM
Post subject: KK 200BB 3bet pot 50NL
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Reagan's Kid
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MP is 14/12, but likes to be aggressive preflop. he had 3bet me a few times on other tables, and 4bet me when i squeezed with KQ. he flatted another squeeze, and i check/folded the flop. he's definitely getting the best of me so far during this session, and i have basically folded to him until now. this hand happens 2-3 mins after i check/folded in the last 3bet pot.
the CO is the table fish
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($60.25)
Button ($50)
Hero (SB) ($103.45)
BB ($78.50)
UTG ($102.55)
MP ($96.75)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K , K
1 fold, MP bets $2, CO calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, MP calls $6, 1 fold
Flop: ($18.50) 7, J, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $12, MP calls $12
Turn: ($42.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero...
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Originally Posted by Carroters
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Da GOAT
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Did you pot preflop is make it less?
Id bet flop larger like $15, Im def betting turn here like $34.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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flop bet sizing was to keep SPR from being 1.5 on the turn.
goat are you b/f or b/c turn?
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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lol obv if u bet turn ur calling, my bad
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Da GOAT
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I think its fairly close between b/f and b/c just based on pot odds. I dont expect to get raised much on turn though so going for 3 barrel is imo the best line. You can make it a lower bet size on turn which still sets up a nice river shove.
I think once you bet turn your committed. Dunno why you wanna bet small on flop to lower spr though since you are never folding on flop.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
I think its fairly close between b/f and b/c just based on pot odds. I dont expect to get raised much on turn though so going for 3 barrel is imo the best line. You can make it a lower bet size on turn which still sets up a nice river shove.
I think once you bet turn your committed. Dunno why you wanna bet small on flop to lower spr though since you are never folding on flop.
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if you bet turn for $34 and MP shoves, you only have to call 40 into a 160 pot so you only need 20% equity. no way you can fold with the draws on the board imo.
yea i agree a turn bet is committing. btw if he had raised me on the flop i would have gladly shoved all in.
if the SPR were 1.5 on the turn, the pot would be about 50 and the eff stacks would be about 75.
in this scenario, it's harder for either of us to show up with bluffs when we bet. by betting smaller on the flop i keep mine and MP's range wider. i think that's beneficial since i believe MP could only have AJ/QQ as worse made hands that would play for stacks.
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Da GOAT
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Yea we are b/c almost always on turn. I think that betting 12 or 16 doesnt make any difference to opp's flop calling range. Also opp can hold alot of Jx hands here if he felt CO fish would call along alot.
forget about me saying its close, i was just thinking while typing. btw i checked vs 97 we have 18% equity so we have good equity vs pot odds against his 2 pairs hands that would raise turn.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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ATOTHEC101
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ez bet/call.
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bet flop bigger so you can confidently b/c turn
I mean we're not super worried about draws, but if he decides to flat a flush draw on the flop we'd go ... on a spade turn since we have the Ks
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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ok, so since the consensus is that the betsizing won't significantly affect MP's perception of my range i should try to play the hand over two streets, even though it possibly leaves a less than 1/2PSB for the river?
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Luke999
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Bet, Bet, Bet.
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
ok, so since the consensus is that the betsizing won't significantly affect MP's perception of my range i should try to play the hand over two streets, even though it possibly leaves a less than 1/2PSB for the river?
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I'd rather frontload your bet sizing because people call looser on early streets
also, if they plan on floating you to see if you check the turn, you'd rather make your flop bet bigger so their float is a bigger mistake each time they attempt it
if you want to cbet and give up on the turn, of course you'd like your cbet to be smaller
however, on this board texture we should cbet for value and hands that have outs
we can probably give up on total air because villain can have hands like JT, AJ, two spades, double gutter with 89, etc.
I'm not sure if everyone agrees with this
so on drawy boards we should in general cbet bigger and have more value hands
on dry boards we should cbet our entire range smaller and add more air to our flop betting range and be prepared to barrel people off their crap
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Micro2Macro
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The concept of SPR is intended to be based on the flop, not the turn.
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The concept of SPR is intended to be based on the flop, not the turn.
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Micro2Macro
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Oh hi iopq
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
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Reagan's Kid
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im cdrunk but what do you ylku guys mean about the SPR
what shoul i know about the flop
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pleased to bet flop, bet turn, bet river and never fold at any point?
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