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Old 01-17-2008, 04:01 AM     Post subject: KK 170bb's deep, passively played postflop -line check #1 (permalink)  
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 -no real reads on villain, other than I have only seen his hands twice after he raised PF and they were solid pairs
-I haven't seen how he plays to 3-bets OOP yet, and he has been running 17/13 so far over only 200ish hands
-With no real reads, I assumed his call OOP from UTG was most likely a strong pair, TT+

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UTG: $1771
CO: $2650
Hero: $2329.42
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BB: $2322.75

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with
UTG raises to $40, CO folds, Hero raises to $150, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: ($315, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($315, 2 players)
UTG bets $200, Hero calls.

River: ($715, 2 players)
UTG bets $450, Hero ??
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:13 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 oh in case people are wondering, I'm not contemplating folding here really. Its more a question between call or raise on the river.
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:25 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 if u assume he has TT+, you only beat JJ so I'd fold:P
if we add other assumptions but no real reads, i probably always call here.
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:10 AM #4 (permalink)  
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bet/bet/bet not close
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:15 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 why not bet flop?
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:30 AM #6 (permalink)  
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i would bet the flop, unless i would check a wide enough range of air on the flop..if that makes sense.
as played, it's closer between call or fold than call or raise....are you trying to get hero called by 77? i'd just call.
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Old 01-17-2008, 09:53 AM #7 (permalink)  
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So preflop you put him on a range you are now way behind. Postflop his play fits that range. Now you want to raise?
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Old 01-17-2008, 11:33 AM #8 (permalink)  
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WTH!! bet flop. AQ stuff can still be in there.

You gotta call since you are repping a mid pair or AK now after turn call.
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Old 01-17-2008, 12:25 PM #9 (permalink)  
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bet/bet/bet not close
I don't usually take this line, but given how deep it was and that I perceived villain as somewhat of a nit, I thought I might only have two streets of value against him if I was actually ahead.

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i would bet the flop, unless i would check a wide enough range of air on the flop..if that makes sense.
as played, it's closer between call or fold than call or raise....are you trying to get hero called by 77? i'd just call.
I don't know if I would check air here often, but I would probably check TT-JJ here, as well as AK sometimes and AQ sometimes.
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Old 01-17-2008, 03:36 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 just bet/bet/bet and fold to resistance. Your line isn't terrible but the river is a standard call.
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:56 PM #11 (permalink)  
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anything but calling the river blows. and there is nothing wrong with this line imo.
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